Wow, very nicely done. The cockpits are brilliant, the blue and white crisp - grand show. Love the crab.

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Thanks Van, it's been a while since those were put up, but thanks

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well on that note I bring this back up. I now have all of the remaining mechs I need to complete the IS lances and Clan stars but I'm still trying to figure out a good scheme for the clan mechs. I've been looking at keeping all of these around the 3050 clan invasion time frame and after spending an hour or so trying to make heads or tails of who fought who where and when, I'm lost. So I need a list of which clans I could paint up the two clan stars as that would

1. use the mechs in the star
2. fight each other
3. fight together against all of the IS forces.


Lance 01, Ryuken-Roku 5822:
Stinger STG-3gb
Griffin GRF-2N
Victor VTR-9K
Battlemaster BLR-1Gb

Lance 02, Wolf's Dragoon Epsilon Coy. 5798:
Wasp WSP-1S
Wolverine WVR-7K
Archer (wolf)
Warhammer WHM-7A

Lance 03, Black Widows 5792:
Rifleman 4D
Warhammer 7A
Marauder 3D
Marauder 3D

Lance 04, Eridani Light Horses 5745:
Shadow Hawk 2K
Rifleman 4D
Thunderbolt 5Sb
Awesome 9M

Clan Star 01, 11792:
Black Hawk A
Ryoken Prime
Vulture Prime
Loki A
Warhawk C

Clan Star 02, 11787:
Fenris D
Black Hawk A
Mad Cat C
Mad Cat C
Daishi Prime


Anyone think they can help?

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Wolf and Diamond Shark.*

*no research done, just my default answers for anything clan related

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Well, the Clans invaded in 3050. The first wave was Jade Falcon, Wolf, Smoke Jaguar and Ghost Bear. The second wave added the Nova Cats, the Diamond Sharks, and Steel Vipers.

The Wolves are pretty much the only users of the Timber Wolf (Mad Cat), and one of two major users of the Dire Wolf (Daishi), so they'd make a lot of sense for the second star.

The Fenris is a Wolf (or Ice Hellion) mech, the Vulture is favoured by the Ghost Bears but is a general mech, the Loki is favoured by the Jade Falcons, and the Warhawk is mostly used by the Smoke Jaguars (though the Ghost Bears and Jade Falcons had a few).

I'd swap the Fenris for a Black Hawk, and then have it be Jade Falcons vs. Wolves. Or Ghost Bears vs. Wolves, I suppose.

This site will be of help: http://camospecs.com/

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Ok, thanks. I think I can live with some of the Ghost bear schemes like Delta or Kappa galaxy. Not sure if I really go for any of the wolf schemes though. Could work with the flat gray.

the one minor issue with swapping out the fenris... the BV doesn't equal out and I'm back to the drawing board to figure out a set of mechs for the second clan star. The idea is that any two IS lances can combine to fight either of the clan stars and all four IS lances can fight both of the Clan stars and the BV end up about equal.

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Timber Wolf B, Timber Wolf Prime, Dire Wolf B, Ice Ferret D, Nova Prime (Wolf) and Stormcrow Prime, Mad Dog Prime, Warhawk Prime, Hellbringer A, Nova A (Ghost Bear). Though I'd really suggest the Jade Falcons over the Ghost Bears, since they and the Wolves have a LOT of battles against each other. The Ghost Bears and Wolves don't exactly get along, but tend to be aligned in many matters.

And that's just with a few seconds using this: http://www.masterunitlist.info/

Also, to accurately reflect the Clans, you should probably make all the Clan pilots 3/4 instead of 4/5, which'd drive the BV up a lot. It's probably better to do a full IS Company vs a Clan Star.

The Clans use camo - paint them in that. Though between Wolf-in-Exile and Wolf there seem to be a lot of pretty nice schemes available, IMO. Alpha through Delta Galaxies would be the front line units for each Clan, BTW. Also might be worth looking at Keshik schemes for Clan Wolf (Keshiks are the command Trinaries of Galaxies in Clan Wolf).

EDIT: I *think* the Wolf-in-Exile schemes are the ones that would cover the largest span of history. But I'm not sure.

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Wolf-in-Exile comes into existence after the Falcon-Wolf war, so after 3055-57...so if just want to stick with 3050 period invading clans u wouldnt go for wolf-in-exile...

i would go with the previous suggestion of Wolf & Falcons for ur forces...parade or camo is up to u, but with what u have done so far i think what ever u decide will look awesome

Clan Star 01 - Jade Falcon
Clan Star 02 - Wolf

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I would agree with pretty much all of SK's posts.

If you are sticking to 3050 Clan Invasion, then definitely do Clan Wolf and Jade Falcons. Again with 2nd Star as Clan Wolf, having swapped Fenris for a Black Hawk.

Clan Wolf and Jade Falcon are bitter enemies. In a Mechwarrior RPG campaign we were a Clan Wolf Star skirmishing with Jade Falcon. So would work perfectly for Clan on Clan game. Yet they would (grudgingly) cooperate in invasion of IS.

Also agree with upping the P&G skills- on BV a Clan Star should equal an IS Company, and even then the betting man might still put money on Clan Star to win.

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Ok, well looking through the Jade Falcon stuff, I think the Vau or Rho galaxy will work. Both seem interesting and I don't have to bother with sickly green. I'm going to need to leave the Fenris in the star though. I really don't want to have another black hawk with the two in the second star and that leaves me with models for the Uller and Gladiator, which I hate, or a Man o war but I'm not really fond of that either. Would it be too far fetched to see a fenris in the Falcon star?

I think then for the wolves it will be either The Golden Keshik or the Green Keshik.

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The Fenris is very much a Clan Wolf mech. Maybe you could argue that the Flacons captured it as Isorla. Even better if you can show it with Clan Wold colours overpainted by those of Jade Falcons- with your amazing painting I'm sure you could do that justice- would look very cool IMO.

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Vau gets wiped out in the Refusal War, but was a frontline Galaxy. Rho was second-line, but didn't (and fought some battles worth noting). Either would probably work OK.



That's why I suggested switching them. So the Fenris is in the Wolf star, and a Black Hawk moves to the Falcon star. Each star would have one Black Hawk.



The Golden Keshik is the Clan Khan's personal command unit - it'd be a bit weird for them to be beating up a unit like Rho Galaxy (or even Vau Galaxy). The Green Keshik is a second-line galaxy command unit and a relatively recent creation.

What about Beta Galaxy's scheme with the tan on top and the grey on the bottom? Plus, you could use the Wolf's Dragoons minis as part of the Wolf Spiders.

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This is the problem area, I'm trying to balance the BV. I can do this for the Wolf Lance easily by swapping the Black Hawk S for an A model (which I like better anyway) but the problem comes in for the Falcon lance. Putting the Black Hawk S in there puts the BV at 12328 which is 541 BV over.

My options are try swapping out for other variants of the rest of the mechs but I really don't like the alternate configurations outside of the Masakari C which doesn't buy back nearly enough points.

Or I can drop the Black hawk entirely for any of these mechs:
Cougar B - not in the time period, but fits the BV
Man o War - Nothing in the BV range
Gladiator - nothing close to the BV needed
Uller - I really hate the look of the mech



I really dislike the two tone scheme.

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As I pointed out already, if you swap the Loki Prime to a Loki A or B you save enough Battle Value to have a Black Hawk S (indeed, you could have a Black Hawk A and not be too far over).

Also, decide if you're calling them by Clan or Inner Sphere names, because it's making my brain hurt.

So you don't like the two-tone scheme...I assume you don't like the brownish-red on Alpha Galaxy?

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