Hena wrote:
Morgan Vening wrote:
Invulnerable Saves work against "any form of attack".
Titan Killers cause the target to "suffer damage equal to the roll".
By my reading of Firepower (section 1.1.3), an "attack" is the singular initial roll (the MW2+ bit).
Section 3.2.5 then says "If such a weapon hits a war engine then the war engine suffers damage equal to the roll of the appropriate sort of dice.", which to me, is interpretable that if the Invulnerable Save works against the attack, then without clarification, the timing of getting to make the InvSave vs getting to roll the multiple damage, is unclear.
See the example below the Titan Killer rules (p.40)
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Example: A formation of Shadowswords scores 3 Titan Killer
(d3) hits against a pair of Warhounds. The first hit is allocated
and the roll for damage is 2. The first Warhound counts as
having 2 hits allocated to it. Because it has 3 Damage
Capacity, the front Warhound can still be allocated an
That clearly shows that the intent is to cause multiple hits. So Inv would be rolled separately.
Not disputing it.
And if Invulnerable Save referred to damage, it'd be a moot point. The problem is, the rules use 'attacks', 'hits', 'shots', 'kills' and 'damage' interchangeably sometimes, and at other times, differentiate them. In this case, the use of 'attack/attacks' in the wording for Invulnerable Save makes it interpretable two different ways.
Side note, Invulnerable Save apparently works against "hackdown hits". Huh. Didn't know that. Unless it's broken before the assault, and then it moves into potentially vague territory again (use of "removed from play as casualties" potentially opens it up).
It seems like d3 trumps Invulnerable Save in order of sequence (Neal, Ben and yourself interpret it that way). I don't have a preference. I just want it clarified and codified.
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Oh and example of WE with Inv can be found from Tyranid list
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I would have thought you would have used the Plague Tower, but I see that was just a hiccup in development. The most current BL/LatD PDF still lists it with it, but the download page for it lists it as being removed. Confusing.
Morgan Vening
