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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:47 pm 
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Ok so all of chaos is fearless

Don't panic, it's not. :)


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:51 pm 
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I think the only real good reason for fearless is when you have multiple fearless unit in the formation. If not they are pretty much useless. They are dead allready they are just to stupid to realise it.


The last surviving unit from an IG formation (i.e. the one with the commisar) gains several benefits from Fearless.

1. He doesn't just die as result of the rest of the formation getting crushed in an assault.
2. When broken he can't be killed off by the simple application of a BM.
3. He can remain closer to enemy formation, potentially getting in the way of where they want to move.

This has knock-on effects.
1. He can rally, and even though its just one unit the enemy must still use a whole activation to remove him.
2. As a commisar he is also inspiring, so he has a chance of doing damage by assaulting (he rallies with no BMs, so you could have +3 from inspiring and BMs). As long as he survives the enemy attacks (which you minimise by clipping) that one unit could break a formation.
3. That one unit rallying could prevent "They Shall Not Pass" from falling to the opponent.

Edit: Perhaps the worst "annoying" Fearless formation is the LatD Plague Zombies. Cheap, teleport(infestation) and numbers to keep them around.



Yeah I see your point. But I still think those are even situational. Yes those are great ideas and probably have worked for you. But honestly the chance of him winning an engage by himself come one. REALLY?

Luckily no one plays LatD. So no plague zombies for me.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:53 pm 
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rasputindarksyde wrote:
Ok so all of chaos is fearless, don't you think that is a bit to powerful?


As above, no it is not.

The specific Cult lists (World Eaters etc) used to be 'all fearless' yet there have been moves over the past year to include non-fearless formations. At present, if you wanted to, you could still get a majority or all formations as fearless. This is up to the AC of that list to balance and make judgement calls on whether that is excessive. For my part at least, I am currently testing the Emperor's Children to make that judgement.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:34 pm 
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The tactic of using broken Fearless formations to block off areas or frustrate an opponent has not failed me yet.

I play assault forces so they hit back pretty hard if you are in close proximity. I am not saying that they are game winners, but they do take the rules to an area that would otherwise have restrictions.

We have been through all this before. All I can speak of is from my own experience (rather than theory) using the tactic and having it used against me (20+ World Eater games, and a few Emperor's Children games).


If using them in that way hasn't failed yet for you then well done.

I'm not saying using scouts makes it is easy to stop, it often fails and usually theres nothing in position to attempt it , but it makes the fearless troops have to pass a 4+ or 5+ rally test (depending on the army they are from).
It then forces the opponent (if they rally) to either deal with the scouts first or assault them and risk rolling a 1 or 2 (again depending on the army) and failing their activation and having to move out of ZoC's (also don't forget some armies have scout skimmers,some even get commissars so CC specialists don't always get things there own way).
I've found it is sometimes worth the risk of losing the scouts when my other formations can go on and win the game.

I too am speaking from experience not theory.
Multiple units of fearless troops have been around since Eldar were released (wraithgaurd and wraithlords) so Cult Chaos forces doing this is nothing new, they just have more in an army.

Also if you want to count games played as a measure of validity then I've got 6 -7 years ,until late 2009, playing most Mondays (6000 point games,12000 points on bank holidays),most Thursdays (2 to 3 GT scenario games), almost all school summer holiday evenings playing minigeddon 1000-1500 sometimes up to 6 games in an evening (I think the most was 9) as well as self playtest games usually before tournaments, oh and lets not forget tournaments.
Since late 2009 I'm now down to just playing 2 games on Thursdays, A few small games once a month against my son and self playtesting before tournaments, tournaments too.

Is that enough gaming experience to validate my view ;D .


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Is that enough gaming experience to validate my view ;D .

I dunno, I'm starting to think you're getting big-headded... :D

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:10 pm 
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Is that enough gaming experience to validate my view ;D .

I dunno, I'm starting to think you're getting big-headded... :D


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Ever getting bid headed about his exploits

I hope that bid headedness isn't contagious ;)


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Well I've won numerous "Best Sports" and "Best Painted" trophies over the years, so nyaaaaa. :D

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I hope that bid headedness isn't contagious ;)

Huh, maybe it is. :D

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Wow so it is a peeing contest after all...lol keep them in your pants guys.


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I read this on another thread and so will repeat the same (or similar) here:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 3:43 am 
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Another advantage of the Fearless Commissar is in

a) Regimental HQs
b) BTS formations, particularly Tank Coys.

In the RHQ, if on the same stand as the Supreme Commander, the survivability is increased greatly for this most important unit. On a BTS, particularly one with 4+ RA (I'm looking at you Mr. Russ) the formation is immensely harder to destroy, as you have to get the unit to actually fail a Save, instead of simply shooting at it. There have been many times that I've denied an opponent BTS simply by having the Tank Coy Commissar take obscene amounts of fire, and live.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:50 pm 
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rasputindarksyde wrote:
I know it doesn't stop it from being broken, I was saying that fearless should stop it from being broken by the definition of the word. Yes by the rules I understand ( at least now) what it is.

Broken isn't running in fear. It's disorganization and a forced tactical withdrawal. Units which reach the point of routing are counted as destroyed, so by that definition Fearless units are immune to panic.


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