Except for Russes and some eldar, most tanks are 5+. Infantry range from 3+ to no FF. The average is 5+ i would say, about the same for tanks.

Except that's actually AP6 and AT6, because I defy you to find a formation to attach them to that won't always be on the Double (Enemy infantry not in cover is a once-in-a-blue-moon thing, after all!) or Engaging...


This I do strongly agree with, tanks in Epic must work as part of a combined arms force, not as an army unto themselves.

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On a side note, I think a lot of people missed the template placement notes in the 2008 update. Hitting multiple formations is more difficult than previously, as multi-templates are still supposed to attempt to cover the most targets from the original formation.

Agreed, but isn't the gist of Epic meant to be closer to WWII type warfare? Tanks were more important back then (frontlines were less fluid; less effective anti-tank weaponry).

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Yes, I do not think that anyone disagrees with this. Nor that anyone especially wants tank only armies (Though some of us do want Titan only armies?)

Yes can use tanks to support infantry, but my contention is that in epic infantry and war engines are just as good at supporting infantry, if not better!

I'd rather lose that "massive" extra ammount of firepower (Approximate to about 1 extra hit, yaaay ), and take a couple of Hydras for my army instead...

I'd sooner take Hellhounds, as although they cost 50pts more, they can be relied upon to hit their target even when doubling and shooting into cover, they've got great armour, and they're also great in an engagement (And I still think Hellhounds are slightly overpriced, too!)...

...Griffons, as an upgrade, are just poo.

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Yeah, it's definitely a mish-mash. Besides, there was a lot of "glamorous" maneuver in WWII (Europe, the desert, etc.), but just as much (if not more) WWI-style infantry combat when things settled down. Maybe not as much of the ultra-fixed trench warfare, but the infantry did most of the fighting without a lot of tanks helping out.

Tanks are at their best when trying to make the front lines fluid (i.e. breaking through blitzkrieg-style)

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I dunno, ever read about fighting in the broccage in Normandy? The last place you want to send your tank co. on it's own is down a single lane hedge lined road in enemy territory. They probably wouldn't even need to use their panzerfausts, just a large French potato stuck up the exhaust pipe (or a large French lady, depending on exhaust pipe size).

Most bizarre post of the year.

well, I know how large French potatoes and ladies are (and boy, they are large) but I profess complete ignorance to German tank exhaust pipe size

Not to mention that there was an awful lot of maneuver in WWI, it just happened to happen out of sight of English, French (or Italian) speakers.

don't forget the often forgotten North African theatre, I seem to remember there being an awful lot of maneuvering going on there, plus a few English and Italians dotted around.