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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 8:21 pm 
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Fine, take that up in IG list, not in a variant.

I would, if the IG Champion hadn't been absent for more than a year (With no prospect of getting more regular internet access, by the way).

Perhaps as an ERC member you should look to appointing a new one?

In the mean time, the twin heavy bolters are staying put in the DK list. They're popular, and don't greatly affect the balance of the unit.

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 8:56 pm 
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Seriously? We're going to have a pissing contest over 2 pips worth of changes?

I really don't care what the stats are but they should be consistent. Bowing up over it is just silly.


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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:27 pm 
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So what shoul dbe the design principles for a units typa and numbers of weapons?
- WYSIWYG (WhatYouSeeIsWhatYouGet)?
Then we have two Shadowsword, two Baneblade, two Thunderbolt and two Marauder models for Epic which need different stats according to what weapons the models have. Also might give issues with certain Eldar Falcon and Serpent models as well as Heavy Weapon and Support Platforms.

- Wh40k rules respectively Wh40k WYSIWYG which is de facto the same.
Then look of the Epic models isn't an issue but only if the type and numbers weapons are true to background and Wh40k.

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 10:48 pm 
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So what shoul dbe the design principles for a units typa and numbers of weapons?

The design principal is that there is a wide range of potential equipment that is abstracted into single, generalized stat lines representing the average overall effect of all the various equipment. Variants only need to be created if the change in gear and weapons is substantial enough to alter the unit's role and feel on the battlefield/gameboard.

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Seriously? We're going to have a pissing contest...?

*shrug*

It's been statted this way for the best part of two years now with general approval and heavy playtesting, and as it's clearly marked as a variant list, I don't see the problem.

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The Marauder is a much larger change from the main list.


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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 12:44 am 
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I like the twin-heavy bolter statted ones and think they should just stay to match the guns the actual tank has. Ideally I'd like the Net-EA IG list to change to the proper twin-heavy bolter ones, but testing them out in a variant is a good way to trial them - and having used them myself they seem fine.


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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 12:48 am 
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When we play tested the Krieg list, we just used normal IG stats (ie single Heavy Bolters). Didn't even notice that there had been a stat change.

I think I'd prefer them all to be the same. Seems pretty silly to have differing stats between lists.

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PostPosted: Sat May 22, 2010 7:21 pm 
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It's been statted this way for the best part of two years now with general approval and heavy playtesting, and as it's clearly marked as a variant list, I don't see the problem.


It seems only fair to point out that the Steel Legion Shadowsword has been playtested for a lot longer, and I am fairly confidant that the shadowsword is not a unit that ever showed a "need for improvement".

Attempting to follow the armament of W40k on EA units is likely to lead to ever changing stats.

There isn't a problem with the shadowsword, and "if it's not broken, don't try and fix it".


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There isn't a problem with the shadowsword, and "if it's not broken, don't try and fix it".
But then to some of us it not having the twin-heavy bolters on it is a problem and so we have the two sets of stats for each of the two sorts of models. It's not being done from a playtesting showing it to be weak perspective, but from a fitting with the W40k background and the WYSIWYG guns the model is actually armed with, something which a number of us on the forum, including E&C who's list it is, care about.

It's not like a Shadowsword actually uses those heavy bolters very much anyway, so an extra pip of attack power is not going to have a significant effect. I'd be completely happy use or oppose single heavy bolter Shadowswords with Krieg or twin-heavy bolter Shadowswords with Steel Legion.


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I'd say that at least 50% of the Shadowswords out there are single Heavy Bolter only models (I know all 5 of mine are).
Using WYSIWYG as a reason is not really valid.

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