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What about "add 2 or 4 HH to the formation"?

That is not a good fit for the pack sizes sold by FW (unlike the 4/2 option), and again it allows formations of 8 Hammerheads, which I believe should be saved for the Armoured list.

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Agree with this also.

I'm not so much interested in the pack sizes that FW sell but the Hammerhead formation really should be able to fit into a Manta.

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Ok, I get the idea about the Manta so that won't be an issue. However...



1. It's Ok if you guys think that "fours" are Ok, but I am of the opinion that they are too brittle. I'm not going to penalize people if they want to take four, but I'm going to think about 6 vs. 8 a bit. I am also open to setting it at 6 and potentially bumping to 8 later.



2. I want to be very clear on this. I am only going to produce one list. I recognize that the E option is primarily an infantry based list and I am leaning that way as well. However, at this time, I do not intend to blend an infantry list and an armor list. "The" core list should be able to spin off variants like the original core lists have, but my goal has been to produce one list.

I understand that not everyone sees eye-to-eye on this, but I do not believe that you solve list issues by splitting them up. I am approaching this from the position that a solid list does not penalize a player's style. I don't want to get into a big debate about this, I will be open to discussing the decisions that I have made and why.

@E&C: I tried to send you a PM today and wasn't able to figure out your name for some reason as it kept bouncing back. Basically, I am expecting to post the "blend" no later than Saturday, with Friday being the preference.

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Well, from what I've seen so far Honda, the E series list (infantry) does pretty much the same as the 5.x list,  as you can still go armour with it, you just don't get AP/MW GMs. I could still pack my army with all the armour I had previously minus those GM systems.

Indeed, due to the upping of the Core:Support ratio from 1:2 to 1:3, you can still fit a lot of tanks into your lists if you want to.

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Then I earnestly hope that you will appoint a sub-champion to develop an Armoured list (not me).

Several key features of my proposal assume that there will be an Armoured list so people can use all of the models they have converted over the years of testing.

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Until we see Honda's implementation, the concept of a "blended" list may preclude that need.

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Hey, I'm still reserving the right to object to the blended list y'know... Honda's being quite cagey as to whether all of the non-Tau-feeling units are going to be removed or not, and the Armoured list is supposed to be a more balanced & background-appropriate home for those removed units.

I said right at the beginning, multiple times, that I would be against this process if an Armoured list is not set up and sponsored by the ERC, either by the Army Champion or by a Sub-Champion, because the 'feel' of the list demands that a couple of units are removed, but I am highly against forcing people to put lovingly converted models on the shelf for the rest of time.

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Anyway, back on topic, I don't feel 4's or 6's are too brittle, and in fact the low(ish) numbers incline the Tau to play a more cautious game.

Give them full tank companies and they can withstand attrition in the face of the enemy, which is not how the 'Generic' Tau are supposed to fight.

So a 4/2 split is good, but anything larger feels un-Taulike (Because they can then withstand higher rates of attrition, and beacause the Tau are supposed to fight in multiple synergistic battle groups in a fluid style not in large companies that bludgeon the enemy with massed firepower).

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Oh and it's worth noting that a majority of people voted for the tank formation to be 4 strong (with or without upgrades), and that when I first voted I voted for 6-strong but was later convinced that 4 strong was better.

So the real percentage in favour of 4 strong is 66.5%.

So two thirds in favour, one third against, that's a pretty convincing show of opinion from the community.

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I understand people's opinions regarding the issue. However, I've been playing Tau tanks a long time and I take the largest formation I can because they are so susceptible to fire. I've been seeing that in my games for a long time through multiple versions. Fours get blown away pretty quickly if the person knows anything about Tau tanks.

So I am not putting my foot down on this issue, I'm just letting you know where I stand, i.e. my opinion.

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With the Skimmer ability and their very long range, Hammerheads shouldn't be getting 'blown away', due to popping back down out of sight after every shot.

Sure they have poor armour, but with the combination of the above two factors (assuming you're using a proper ammount of terrain) your enemy should be struggling just to get a shot at your Hammerheads, let alone wiping them out easily.

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No worries Honda. Though can I just re-iterate to press a point, that you can still take your 6 strong formation if you want. If majority prefer the 4+2 scenario and you still get your 6 then everyone is happy :wink:(still no winky emote)