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Black Legion playtest changes
Chroma
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:03 am 
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Indeed a brilliant idea!  But one that will require a good chunk of playtesting!

Also consider how this will affect LatD (and other mixed-Faction armies) and their Faction specific formations.

I'd highly recommend talking with Steve54 about this and hash it out with him first if it's something you're looking to pursue.

I'll admit I find it much better and much more flavourful than the current Factions rule... and I'd go with Zombo's suggested changes as well.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:23 am 
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For easier balancing you could give each Faction a points cost (yes even Undividec/Chaos Glory). And i would propose a +1 on Rally rolls as the default for Chaos Space Marines formations (they are Marines after all).

Should i open a thread of its own for this?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:29 pm 
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Quote: (BlackLegion @ 16 Jun. 2009, 10:23 )

Should i open a thread of its own for this?

Yes... tagged [Experimental]... cuz it's a cool concept.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:37 pm 
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It's a cool concept, but don't expect it to go anywhere. :)

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:45 pm 
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Quote: (Chroma @ 16 Jun. 2009, 03:03 )

I'd highly recommend talking with Steve54 about this and hash it out with him first if it's something you're looking to pursue.

Oh, and talk to LordI about it... *laugh*  

I keep thinking BlackLegion is the Army Champion of the Black Legion...

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:46 pm 
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Steve54 is army champion for the Black Legion for EpicUK I think.

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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ 16 Jun. 2009, 12:46 )

Steve54 is army champion for the Black Legion for EpicUK I think.

And the NetEA LatD Champion.

Which is why BlackLegion should speak to both of them.




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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:51 pm 
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And also a human being, not the 54th clone of some guy named Steve.  ???




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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:55 pm 
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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ 16 Jun. 2009, 12:51 )

And also a human being, not the 54th clone of some guy named Steve.

If only I could believe that...  :alien:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:58 pm 
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Quote: (zombocom @ 16 Jun. 2009, 02:31 )

BlackLegion: That's a brilliant idea! Probably totally unbalanced, but brilliant nonetheless.

I'd probably give Slaanesh +1 on double though, to emphasise the slaaneshy speed, and give Tzeentch +1 on sustain, as Tzeentch just loves ranged shooting.

QFT.  I have a hard time seeing this work in a practical sense as it seems like it would be annoying to figure it in all the time, but it's a cool concept.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:37 am 
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Done: http://www.tacticalwargames.net/forums/ ... 82;t=15901

And i have PM'ed both.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:04 am 
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Quote: (nealhunt @ 09 Jun. 2009, 13:43 )

[quote="The_Real_Chris,09 Jun. 2009, 11:07 "]
I'm okay with losing factions.  As pointed out, with only a few rare exceptions everyone just takes 1-3 factions of non-hating factions, i.e. Nurgle-Khorne or Tzeentch-Slaanesh-Undivided.

It doesn't really matter to me if the faction rule stays or goes. Even if it was clearly the best strategic decision to do so I wouldn't mix Nurgle guys with my Tzeentch guys. IMO, players who do stuff like that (in 40k too) should be ashamed of themselves.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:18 am 
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How about renaming the Greater Daemons to Daemon Lord Daemons (because the current Epic Greater Dameons are true monster like the Greater Dameons from Forgeworld)and introducing as Greater Dameons the actual Greater Dameons with power levels of the WH40k versions?

For example a Bloodthirster might look like this:

Bloodthirster Greater Daemon of Khorne
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 30cm 4+ 3+ 6+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Daemon Axe (base contact) Assault weapon Extra attacks(+2), Macro-weapon
Death Strike (15cm) Small arms -

Notes: Jump Packs, Reinforced Armour. Costs 3 Points to summon.




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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:32 am 
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Love the changes, especially to the aircraft formations.
As for the faction animosity, I think it is just a fluff idea and it shouldn't have any impact on the list. Adding bonuses to orders can be tricky to balance and for some gods seems far-fetched.

One question though: has anyone playtested the Harbinger bomber? Did your opponents have any issues with it? I'm considering buying the beasty and hopefully adding it to the Iron Warriors list.  :rock:
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:37 am 
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Quote: (Laylo @ Oct. 24 2009, 09:32 )

I'm considering buying the beasty and hopefully adding it to the Iron Warriors list.  :rock:

I personally have not had the chance to take one yet either. I may in a future game. It's expense is quite off-putting when you are trying to balance your force with an appropriate number of activations.

I would advise trialling it in a few games as the expense to buy one is huge if you are possibly going to be dissapointed by its use.

If it is just for the model as a collector, it is definately a nice looking aircraft.    :)

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