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E&C's Tau proposal

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:26 am 
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HH's went down because I felt they were about right at 375points under their 5.1 stats. With the slight drop in shooting I thought a 25point decrease was warranted as they received nothing to compensate for this.

Broadsides got an initiative bump so I don't think they should change.

Stealthsuits in effect didn't suffer a decrease as they have their own MLs. They also got an initiative bump so I've been considering asking for an increase in their points to 300.

Crisis suits we are currently undecided about. We're not sure that they under perform at 250points.

They skyray stats have been rejected as far as I'm aware and we agreed to use the 5.1 stats with AA shots not benefiting from ML's.

One other change we have been considering was to replace disrupt on the pathfinders rail rifles with sniper as with no sniper drones the Tau list doesn't have any sniper units. What does everyone think?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:18 am 
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HH's went down because I felt they were about right at 375points under their 5.1 stats. With the slight drop in shooting I thought a 25point decrease was warranted as they received nothing to compensate for this

I agree.

Broadsides got an initiative bump so I don't think they should change.
Ahh yes! I forgot this change.

Stealthsuits in effect didn't suffer a decrease as they have their own MLs. They also got an initiative bump so I've been considering asking for an increase in their points to 300.
Maybe pertinent.

Crisis suits we are currently undecided about. We're not sure that they under perform at 250points.
Feel free to add MW FF for me...  :laugh:

They skyray stats have been rejected as far as I'm aware and we agreed to use the 5.1 stats with AA shots not benefiting from ML's.
Ok good to know.

One other change we have been considering was to replace disrupt on the pathfinders rail rifles with sniper as with no sniper drones the Tau list doesn't have any sniper units. What does everyone think?
Can I ask who "we" is? Are you helping E&C develop this list?

Just a question in general on the rail rifles, is sniper necessary in the list? The Tau list has done ok with it so far is all.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:37 am 
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I do the play testing and suggest changes to E&C. We discuss them and eventually arrive at a compromise of some sort. This is how development has occurred thus far. But its still very much E&C's project and he has final approval and the power of veto over any changes.

At the moment the Sniper change is up in the air. Not sure if its necessary. But I thought it made pathfinders more distinct from fire warriors. At the moment I cant see pathfinders being used that often as there are cheaper and better ways of getting ML's in the list. Giving them sniper may make them more attractive.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:40 am 
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Can I ask who "we" is? Are you helping E&C develop this list?

One of my intents when writing this proposal was to find a list style that we would have fun playing with in our gaming group, since Ryan (Jstr19) has not wanted to play the ERC list for a good long while now.

He has played I believe 3 games under this proposal now (with 2 narrow wins and 1 heavy loss IIRC?).

Naturally, after his games we talk about how the list played, and what could be improved, but as it's my proposal, I'm the guy who makes the final call on any changes.

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Ryan has suggested changing the Pathfinders' weapons to Sniper weapons in order to give them a unique niche, and in order to more closely represent their weapons from Warhammer 40,000.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:30 am 
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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ 12 Aug. 2009, 10:40 )

suggested changing the Pathfinders' weapons to Sniper weapons in order to give them a unique niche, and in order to more closely represent their weapons from Warhammer 40,000.

Actually to match W40k both Sniper and Disrupt should be present and of the two Disrupt is the most important to represent their effect. Having both matches the Sniper Drone Team too, why were the stats for the Pathfinders' Rail Rifles worse in the first place?


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Because it made them better than firewarriors overall originally.

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I thought giving them Co-ord fire was a difference too...?


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If you remember I think they had sniper, disrupt, co-ord fire and markerlights, as well as extensive supplies for the fitting of bathrooms :)

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:58 pm 
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Quote: (Pulsar @ 09 Aug. 2009, 15:01 )

Yes i'd be up for doing a battle report Jstr19, and yes Chroma i've used those sheets before they are cool :)

Did you guys do that battle report?

I swear I saw you taking pictures or recording or something.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:13 pm 
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Pulsar took notes on his phone. We had trouble with it so I don't know how well they turned out. They also got a bit confused on turn three when I was trying to get a draw and the game got a bit more exciting.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:44 pm 
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As requested by Honda, here is the latest version of the proposal, incorporating a 'Missile Strike' configuration of Tigershark (based on BlackLegion's proposed stats).

Personally I would prefer to see an 'Orca with weapons' in this niche so that people can use their converted Scorpionfish missiles, however I will follow the Army Champion's request.


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As the document is now ready for playtesting, I have stripped out most of the datafaxes and replaced them with a pair of quick reference sheets (one for the generic list, one for the proposed armoured list, should anyone feel the desire to try it out, though as per Honda's request that is not a priority at this time).

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Typos excepted, I'd say this is now stable enough for playtesting.




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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:49 pm 
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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ 14 Aug. 2009, 15:44 )

Personally I would prefer to see an 'Orca with weapons' in this niche so that people can use their converted Scorpionfish missiles, however I will follow the Army Champion's request.

I'd agree with this as well.

Also, I'd still like to see the "Hammerhead Support" formation starting at four Hammerheads.

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Closing the thread as this one has gotten entirely too unweildy.

Further development of this proposal will take place here: http://www.tacticalwargames.net/forums....441;hl=



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