Hypothesis testing, 101.

Only in this case we are looking for a consensus as any 'evidence' is going to be purely subjective opinion, surely? So, there is no 'proof' in a scientific definition of the word.

Though I am open to suggestion of how we can test the warriors while controlling other variables.

3) One bigger problem, given the 'shoot the big ones' rationale for the change, is that the change fails, objectively, to achieve its goals: one result is likely to be a nid army entirely made up of AVs and LVs -- raveners replacing Gaunts as synapse-shields, with the added benefit that they shield both the 'big ones' and the 'bigger ones.'  NB.  This is a result that is largely 'theoretical,' but this is in part because the new armylist emphasizes raveners: a set of miniatures that do not actually exist except via conversion.

This I definatly do agree with.
Though we have not found a 'problem' with LV Warriors (as our player includes AVs in all his swarms), they also do not make much sence in the context of the Tyranid List.

Was there a big problem with the INF only swarm in earlier lists?

That's the rationale.

I was reading through the Anphelion Project and looking at the comparative sizes of Tyranid Warriors to other creatures and opponents and realized they towered over Gaunts... there were *much* bigger than "human infantry" as well; I couldn't imagine them "hiding" or being screened by mere Termagants.

Seeing them "in action", in DoWII also reinforced that perception.

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In the Anphelion Prroject the following stats are given:

Tyranid Warrior Average Height: 2.4m

Gaunt Average Height: 1.3m

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You know that a 7'10" TW is 4" taller than Yao Ming.  And 12-14" taller than Osama Bin Laden.

I'm a little skeptical that four to fourteen inches of height justifies AT targeting -- i.e. targeting with specifically armor-piercing weapons.

Marines are 2-2.5m... Where is FW pulling that number from?

Comparing TW size to that of guants to justify their LV status isn't an overly compelling argument. I could just as easily argue to compare them to the Zoanthrope and Lictor models. Warriors are much smaller than those, shouldn't they be INF?

In any case, as Cary has pointed out before, this change has felt like a change for changes sake more than anything else. There was no widespread outcry for LV warriors prior to 9.2, no one cried out when I subjected them to all guant and INF warrior swarms.

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Must say given the size of the other big beasts can we abstract out the shoot the big ones thing? Though its neat it affects epic more than 40k with the effect on the swarm.

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I personally will play a few more games with the LV rule than make a decision on whether it is a useless rule for EpicA or not.

I think others should do the same with some examples of how a player or an opponent has taken advantage of such a rule. So far I personally have not seen an example. It just means that I have to hide them better than I otherwise would.

If the price was lowered as Chroma suggested, even better. There have been times where 25 points has changed the structure of a swarm for me at least.

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