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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:24 pm 
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Quote: (BlackLegion @ 09 Jan. 2009, 15:43 )

Perhaps the whole army can get -1 on engage? Only Crisis and Kroot should be unmodified (Air assault is another matter).

As long as Crisis Suits get 1+ Initiative, they should get the modifier too, they'll still be plenty good at it.

The -1 modifier would have to be for Tau units only and not include Auxiliary formations I think.  

Air assault would need to be -1 as well.  I don't see how Air Caste pilots are going to be more eager to get in close than a Fire Caste Warrior.

Anyway, glad you guys liked the idea, it's sort of a reverse Power of the Waagh! rule.  I am definitely going to work it into the list I made up over in the Variant List thread.





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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:15 pm 
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Besides if FF was to be upgraded, then Coordinated fire must be removed for being way too good.

Why? Cordinated Fire has nothing to do with Assaults.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:55 pm 
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Instead they have coordinated fire which allows several formations to attack a target to break it before it can react. It's there to give an alternative way to force target to move.


Well, I use Coordinated Fire to reduce a formation to bloody rags. At that point, I don't care if it shifts.

I'm not sure I see your perspective on this Hena. Could you elaborate please?

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 3:30 pm 
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I believe what Hena is saying is that, in order to make up for their inability to push the enemy out of position through assaults, they were given the "Coordinated Fire" special rule to achieve decisive results via shooting.

Upping FF and thereby assault ability removes the need for Coordinated Fire: The Tau can assault instead, which would seem to go against their background, and quite possibly overpower the army.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:36 pm 
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@ID,

Ok, I see what you/Hena are saying and I would be in agreement with his position.

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Quote: (Irondeath @ 10 Jan. 2009, 21:30 )

I believe what Hena is saying is that, in order to make up for their inability to push the enemy out of position through assaults, they were given the "Coordinated Fire" special rule to achieve decisive results via shooting.

Upping FF and thereby assault ability removes the need for Coordinated Fire: The Tau can assault instead, which would seem to go against their background, and quite possibly overpower the army.

I also agree with Hena on this point.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:16 pm 
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I remain in favour of artificially reduced FF values rather than reduced initiative in assaults. The latter will lead to weird tactics such as placing formations in harms way in the hope that the enemy engages them.

That's not very Tau.

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Quote: (zombocom @ 11 Jan. 2009, 14:16 )

I remain in favour of artificially reduced FF values rather than reduced initiative in assaults. The latter will lead to weird tactics such as placing formations in harms way in the hope that the enemy engages them.

That's not very Tau.

Actually, setting up traps and "bait" formations to sucker the enemy into trouble sounds *very* Tau to me.

In fact, it seems a perfect example of the "Patient Hunter" philosophy.

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It's not really baiting, it's literally standing in front of the enemy and hoping they charge you, because you suck at charging them. That makes basically no sense, and is definately gamey.

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Quote: (zombocom @ 11 Jan. 2009, 15:06 )

It's not really baiting, it's literally standing in front of the enemy and hoping they charge you, because you suck at charging them. That makes basically no sense, and is definately gamey.

You'd have to move to a position so they can't base you, you'd want support around you, etc etc... why would anyone just "stand in front of the enemy", even if they're good at firefighting?

I don't see Marine players just sticking their Tactical Squads out in the middle of the enemy to get engaged.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:45 pm 
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Coordinated Fire is nothing else as Combined Assault without fear of retaliation.

But waiting for the enemy to approoach and then hit him with everything you have sounds like Patient Hunter to me.

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