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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:21 am 
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I have searched the site and come across many different pics and discussions, yet nothing that I can really use. I also find it surprising that we have a sticky for stripping minis, 6mm ranges, fan sites and proxy comparisons, yet nothing for painting minis.

I have painted 40k stuff, yet epic appears to be a different 'kettle of fish'as there is not as much detail and one can get away with less highlighting and layering (if any).

So my questions that will hopefully kick off a sticky thread from some of the master painters out there in Epic-land.

So here we go with the noob questions:

1. Does one stick the minis to a plain base and then paint them or do you paint the from the sprues? Maybe you take them off and paint them first and then place them on a base? Which method do people use?

2. Bases. Paint and/or base them before or after you stick the minis onto them?

3. Imperial fists. Anyone got the colours (base, highlight, or maybe drybrush) that I should be doing? I have read many posts on this so far via the net yet they all appear to be for 28mm.

4. What techniques (I see a fair bit of drybrushing done initially) do people use to do marines? I am trying to stay away from drybrushing yellow, so I would like to hear people's views.

5. I am thinking of using a wet palette to start with. Good or bad idea on this one.

6. Would anyone else like to see a sticky on this site for painting epic minis 101?

Thanks in advance for any help you can give. I will be starting with a Tactical Squad and a few Rhinos as goodness knows I have enough of these.

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 Post subject: Painting Imperial Fists
PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:55 am 
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1. Does one stick the minis to a plain base and then paint them or do you paint the from the sprues? Maybe you take them off and paint them first and then place them on a base? Which method do people use?


I paint mine on the base, but it really depends on what type of bases you're using. If you're using the older square bases then I can see why you might want to paint them separately (Though I've never heard of anyone doing this).

If you're using the current rectangle bases then it's pretty easy to paint them after mounting them on their base.

2. Bases. Paint and/or base them before or after you stick the minis onto them?

Paint the bases after basing your models, but before painting your troops (at least that's how I do it).


3. Imperial fists. Anyone got the colours (base, highlight, or maybe drybrush) that I should be doing? I have read many posts on this so far via the net yet they all appear to be for 28mm.

I prefer a more natural yellow such as "Iyanden Darksun" to the bright yellows like "Bad-Moon" or "Golden".

If you find a color recipe you like from the 28mm painting threads there is no reason why you couldn't or shouldn't use it for 6mm too. The technique is the only thing that changes slightly when painting Epic, not the colors.

4. What techniques (I see a fair bit of drybrushing done initially) do people use to do marines? I am trying to stay away from drybrushing yellow, so I would like to hear people's views.

I only use dry-brushing on bases. If I were going to paint Imp Fists then I would start with a medium tone yellow. Give it one overall wash of a deeper yellow. Highlight it first with the mid-tone yellow again, then give it a final highlight of a light yellow/white mix. Give it one more wash of overall yellow wash, then a controlled wash of orange in the deepest recesses.

5. I am thinking of using a wet palette to start with. Good or bad idea on this one.

I don't use wet palettes on 28mm models, I think it would be a waste on 6mm.

6. Would anyone else like to see a sticky on this site for painting epic minis 101?

Above my paygrade. :tongue:

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:37 pm 
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This might help: http://www.tacticalwargames.net/forums....;st=75#
Switch the colours to yr own pallette and yr away...though i suspect that for yellow a white undercoat would be more useful and that Frogbears inks would be a better start.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:12 pm 
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Yellow has always been a bit of a cad to work with. Exactly how to do it depends a bit on what end result you want to achieve, but I always use a white undercoat for yellow miniatures. For a reallly dirty and gritty look like Bad Moonz I simply apply a heavy wash of snakebite leather/chaos black over sunburst yellow.
For my eldar I want a cleaner look and I suspect it might be something similar you're after. In the old days I would use and orange wash in the recesses, but I've since taken a fancy to using thinned down snakebite leather. I haven't had a go with the new Citadel inks yet (student budget means I have to prioritize food and beer over small pots of paint :p ) but I thik you could get very nice results with those.
Anyway, I digress: For clean yellow I'd go for white undercoat, sunburst yellow basecoat, maybe a thin yellow/orange wash followed by a wash of snakebite leather that I wipe off so there's only paint in the deepest recesses of the mini. Pick out larger areas with pure yellow and highlight with a couple of layers of white/yellow mix. Depending a bit on the type of miniature this could be done with either drybrushing or classic layering.


As for your other questions: I ususally base my minis first. Maily because I like to get a feeling of how they look on the table before I start painting.
I usually finish the bases last. Also mostly a force of habit as you could certainly argue that other methods would be easier.

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Panzer Yellow, washed brown then black then Dry Brush a lighter Isreali Khaki ... I painted all my SMs based. And I rarely base paint white ... makes the over paint too light !! :vD

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Quote: (frogbear @ 30 Dec. 2008, 09:21 )

3. Imperial fists. Anyone got the colours (base, highlight, or maybe drybrush) that I should be doing? I have read many posts on this so far via the net yet they all appear to be for 28mm.

4. What techniques (I see a fair bit of drybrushing done initially) do people use to do marines? I am trying to stay away from drybrushing yellow, so I would like to hear people's views.

6. Would anyone else like to see a sticky on this site for painting epic minis 101?

3, 4: I think Vaaish does his yellow marines extremely well:

http://www.tacticalwargames.net/forums....4;st=15

6: I think thats a good idea, even though it would probably become a long one - everyone has their style of painting, and no two painters are alike. But I wouldnt mind sharing what little skill I have in such a thread.

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Quote: (Brother-Captain Parzval @ 30 Dec. 2008, 11:35 )

4: I think Vaaish does his yellow marines extremely well:

http://www.tacticalwargames.net/forums....4;st=15

Yeah I completely forgot about Vaaish! That guy is a master at painting great, realistic yellow Marines. If I were to start a Fists army I'd just nag him to death!  :p

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OK

Going off to the games shop to get me some paints I think. Mainly some washes and inks.

I think a fair bit of experimentation is in order it seems. I think I will try some of Vaaish's techniques along with Warmaster Nice as well as I need the yellow to be yellow. If they turn out too brown, I have the risk of my opponernt referring to them as the 'poo marines' - something I would rather avoid...

Thanks all for your imput.

Any other suggestions, please keep them coming. Always happy to be reading this.

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Quote: (frogbear @ 31 Dec. 2008, 00:44 )

If they turn out too brown, I have the risk of my opponernt referring to them as the 'poo marines' - something I would rather avoid...

Don't let L4 hear that... :p :D :;):

I think you could get some really good results with a combination of the two techniques. I've never experimented much with paint chipping om marines before but I think it works really well for Vaaish's Imperial Fists. My personal preference is for slightly deeper shadows than Vaaish does but that is of course entirely a matter of taste and temper :)

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Quote: (Warmaster Nice @ 30 Dec. 2008, 23:53 )

I've never experimented much with paint chipping om marines before

I am going to go for pristine armour for my marines to start with.

Cleanliness is next to Emporerness and clean armour is the sign of a clean conscience. Never will my Imperial Fists be mistaken for the infidels. That is always my opponent's marines.   :;):




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Ok

Got my paints. Now looking at my collection I am using square bases with minis already on them.

What is the best way of removing such delicate minis from their bases?

I am unsure whether they have been placed on with superglue or plastic glue if that matters.

Thanks again in advance...

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Quote: (Warmaster Nice @ 30 Dec. 2008, 23:53 )

Quote: (frogbear @ 31 Dec. 2008, 00:44 )

If they turn out too brown, I have the risk of my opponernt referring to them as the 'poo marines' - something I would rather avoid...

Don't let L4 hear that... :p :D :;)

:glare: Hmmm ...  :glare:  Noted ...

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Hah! Don't worry L4 I think your Imp Fists came out looking great!

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hi! here you can see my imp fist, they are painted with white base then yellow and blacklighted, at last you can apply a chesnut ink wash (50% ink 50% water).

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Oh yeah. I'd forgotten about Bans Fists as well :) Again just shows how many wonderful possibilities there are depending on your preferred technique.

As for removing the bases: By far the easiest and safest method is to cut the bases to pieces. If there's no glue on the base you might be able to "click" them off by bending the base slightly.

If you don't want to destroy the bases you could try soaking the miniatures in ethanol for a few hours and see if that dissolves the glue. I've sometimes had it work on some types of superglue, as it became very brittle. If the miniatures have been glud with plastic cement there's not really much you can do. Just be carefull. Ethanol can sometimes be a bit rough on the plastic so try it with a test stand first.

My best advise: Cut the bases apart and rebase the minis.

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