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Scratch building an Ork fleet for BFG

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:07 am 
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Orks are probably the easiest fleet to scratchbuild, I've seen an Imperial fleet somewhere on Warseer which looked amazing, you can find that one here, just look at the stuff done by "lack0fbettername".

Thanks for the kind words! :)

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:38 am 
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With me back in Holland I can continue on this project again. However, my current activities on this Ork fleet such as the Space Hulk and fightercraft will currently be put on hold. Troll Forged Miniatures have been starting to accept submissions from sculptors to cast their models and sell them through their site. The idea is that (if accepted) I will work on a generic Ork (named "Scrapyard Spaceship due to GW's IP) hull with seperate weapons, launchbays, engines and controlrooms for customers to put on.

The first model I've been pondering on making will be a mix between two of my earlier scratchbuilt ships I've made, namely:

Kill Kroozer:



Terror Ship:



I'm planning on using cardboard as my main material for a change since (1) it's way easier to work with than the chipboard I've been using now, (2) it's easier to get a hold on than plasticcard (and thus cheaper) and (3) it means I can use a cheaper kind of glue because the superglue is too expensive for my tastes (€5 for a tiny bottle). The cardboard hulls and bits will receive a groundlayer of paint which will make ships as hard as wood and as good as immune to water. My stepdad uses that paint when he makes small scale models (from cardboard) for his larger projects (he reconstructs, decorates, etc houses, clubs but also makes art such as paintings on commission).

So yeah...that's going to be my creative output at the moment...I might even make some money on this if Troll Forged are actually capable of selling the thing!

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:18 am 
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I'm beginning to see recognizable shapes!  :agree:  I have some ideas where you might end up when finished, but I suspect you're going to surprise me.  An all original 'scratch built' fleet is quite a project.  I hope to see the finished goodies soon.  I have a nearly standard Ork fleet, as well.  Glad to see another Greenskin out to stomp some hummies! :alien:
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:33 am 
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I've been toying with some concepts...while it looked pretty on paper the problem was that I dont have a scanner, resulting in me trying to recreate them using Microsoft Paint. For any of you who have used this program...you will know it's very limited, so my apologies if the art seems crappy of quality!

Main hull (with weapons/armour/etc on the top and sides of it):


Prow and engines (including some multi-part stuff):


I still need to think about how the bottom of the thing will look like and of course the details and such, but I do hope that these pictures kind of give you an idea in which direction I want to be moving this.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:38 am 
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I like the way you have planned out your project.  I believe it is fair to say most of us have a plan in our head, not on paper, when we build something new.  I will have to work out a plan for my next project (Another battlestation), with a schematic.  The friend I'm building it for might like an advance look, rather than a guess.
Maybe I missed the point in another post, but I have to ask:  How many of each are you planning on building?  Is each 'repeat' going to have some differences from others in its class?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:52 am 
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The stuff I have the concept art for will probably be prototypes which will be cast, basically enabling thousands of them to be made if people are interesting. I will start working on this hull and the various types of weapons/equipment which will enable users to build various types of ships based on the same hull (how very GW of me huh? :p)

If this one works I will try to work on some other hull designs but with the same sizes for some of the removable parts, basically making the "kits" very user-friendly and compatible.

However, first I need to succeed in building the first one, after that we can see what to do about different types of hulls and more goodies.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:24 pm 
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This picture was made by some talented dude over at the Anargo Sector Project forums called Death Hawk:



I think I'm going to put my other concepts on hold for a bit and try to build this thing so it can be cast by Troll Forged.

By the way...just a quick question, you think BFG Ork fans would actually be interested in alternative models for the existing range?

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That would very much depend on weather they are happy with the GW design.
I dont think a ship like that would blend in with the GW Ork ships.
But a range of ships like that which could be built up into an alteritive Ork fleet would be cool.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:16 pm 
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I don't know if I posted this before but this one will be the first, so it will be kind of an experiment. I do plan on making it a potential multi-part, meaning you could create various types of cruisers from it depending on what kind of weapons/etc you put on it. If this one works I will try to work on some escort sized stuff which, like this one will probably be one type of hull on which players could add different types of weapons.

But yeah...first things first, meaning that I have to start working on this monster!  :devil:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:34 am 
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Death Hawk just put up some more concept art:

Death Hawk wrote:
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:33 am 
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I have a very large Ork fleet already.  I am also guilty of influencing others to get into Orks.  Not everyone likes the 'face' or 'fish head' look, and used filler putty to get a different look for their ships.  I think that your design is cool.  But honestly, I think they could be used in just about anybody's fleet.  The only way it would immediately be recognizable as Ork, would be similar to the last color picture.  I don't think GW wants anything even close for sale out there.  So my original observation: Maybe anybody's fleet is a Okay way to go.
To sell thousands, you will need a way for many thousands to see your line.  A major distributor to carry and 'get out' the word, and product is the best way.  I daresay you know of some of those.  When I was selling one of my works, I kept telling myself "the worst thing they can do is say no." So when they did say no, there was less sting in the rejection.  So don't hesitate to 'hit up' every one of the distributors you can, hell, they might say "yes"!
I would hope you would have several sized variations to choose from.  I rarely use my "Revenge" Ork battleships as such.  I normally use them as "Hammer" class battlecruisers, as originally set up.  The fluff says that the battleship was just a built up "Hammer".  I would love to see a battleship along the lines of a cross-built Imperial/Chaos hull and obvious Orky 'fitting out' come available.  
Even after all that, I for one am always looking for new additions to all my fleets (I have three).
Keep on!  I think you may have something there!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:42 am 
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It is quite a clean design - too clean for Orks?

Also personally I am not a fan of the gun decks, I prefer stuff coming out of the superstructure. Fine for attack craft though!




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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:25 pm 
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Quote: (Galactic Fringe @ 01 Sep. 2008, 01:33 )

I have a very large Ork fleet already.  I am also guilty of influencing others to get into Orks.  Not everyone likes the 'face' or 'fish head' look, and used filler putty to get a different look for their ships.  I think that your design is cool.  But honestly, I think they could be used in just about anybody's fleet.  The only way it would immediately be recognizable as Ork, would be similar to the last color picture.  I don't think GW wants anything even close for sale out there.  So my original observation: Maybe anybody's fleet is a Okay way to go.
To sell thousands, you will need a way for many thousands to see your line.  A major distributor to carry and 'get out' the word, and product is the best way.  I daresay you know of some of those.  When I was selling one of my works, I kept telling myself "the worst thing they can do is say no." So when they did say no, there was less sting in the rejection.  So don't hesitate to 'hit up' every one of the distributors you can, hell, they might say "yes"!
I would hope you would have several sized variations to choose from.  I rarely use my "Revenge" Ork battleships as such.  I normally use them as "Hammer" class battlecruisers, as originally set up.  The fluff says that the battleship was just a built up "Hammer".  I would love to see a battleship along the lines of a cross-built Imperial/Chaos hull and obvious Orky 'fitting out' come available.  
Even after all that, I for one am always looking for new additions to all my fleets (I have three).
Keep on!  I think you may have something there!
G.F.

I wasn't planning on showing them to GW, and yes they could be used for any fleet if you want to, that is the whole idea. I won't release them as "Ork ships" not only due to IP reasons but also due to the fact that certain players don't like Orks or don't even play BFG but another space ship game.

First will be the "cruiser" sized hull with various stuff. If that kind of works out I'll try to work on escort sized stuff which will follow the same principle as the cruiser: a basic hull with various bits and bites to turn them into different types of escorts but also to make them all look somewhat unique.

It is quite a clean design - too clean for Orks?

Also personally I am not a fan of the gun decks, I prefer stuff coming out of the superstructure. Fine for attack craft though!

My and Death Hawk's design is more rugged than the existing Ork design which is totally symmetrical and has a giant head in front of it...well I think that at least.

As for the weapons, I'll work on several systems to be added to it, the vessel is going to be a multi-part thing. :)

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:49 am 
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A bunch of photos and such have been deleted?  I feel robbed!
Anyway, thanks for the info, and answers.  I hope there will be some photos, and graphics back up soon.
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