Login |  Register |  FAQ
   
Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  Page 5 of 5
  [ 70 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5

Top 10 Ways to Deal with odd unit values
Evil and Chaos
 Post subject: Top 10 Ways to Deal with odd unit values
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:35 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 05, 2006 2:57 am
Posts: 20887
Location: Harrogate, Yorkshire
If this would be the case, then why I do I want that very non 25 increments to Tyranids?


Because you love to min-max your Dactylii ?

Honestly I have no idea, and I certainly have no idea why you claim to think that the Tyranid list is immune to 'non-25' min-maxing whilst simultaniously claiming that the Necron list is vulnerable to non-25 min-maxing.

You can have it one way or the other Hena; Please elucidate your true feelings on the matter and let us understand this paradox, or simply change your opinion vis-a-vis one list or the other.

_________________
Currently doing a plastic scenery kickstarter
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Evil and Chaos
 Post subject: Top 10 Ways to Deal with odd unit values
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:42 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 05, 2006 2:57 am
Posts: 20887
Location: Harrogate, Yorkshire
Uh huh, prove it by actually engaging in the discourse then.

_________________
Currently doing a plastic scenery kickstarter
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
zombocom
 Post subject: Top 10 Ways to Deal with odd unit values
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:50 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:49 am
Posts: 5569
Ok Hena, fine.

Lets imagine a list with 4 units, 2 costing 25 points, 1 costing 40 and 1 costing 20

These are the possibilities for list building of 100 points:

(25 25 25 25) - 100p - (2x2x2x2) = 16 varients
((40 40 20) - 100p - (1x1x1) = 1 varient
( 40 20 20 20) - 100p - (1x1x1x1) = 1 varient
(20 20 20 20 20 ) - 100p - (1x1x1x1x1) = 1 varient
(25 25 40) - 90p - (2x2x1) = 4 varients
(40 25 20) - 85p - (1x2x1) = 2 varients
(20 20 20 25) - 85p - (1x1x1x2) = 2 varients
(20 20 25 25) - 90p - (1x1x2x2) = 4 varients
(25 25 25 20) - 95p - (2x2x2x1) = 8 varients

total - 39 varients.

Compare this to the list with 4 options of 25 points, which had 256 varients, or the list with two 40 point options and two 20 point options which had 56 varients.

Adding more non standard points options very clearly does NOT lead to more varients, hence not to minmaxing.




_________________
http://www.troublemakergames.co.uk/
Epic: Hive Development Thread
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Evil and Chaos
 Post subject: Top 10 Ways to Deal with odd unit values
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:01 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 05, 2006 2:57 am
Posts: 20887
Location: Harrogate, Yorkshire
Hena, you're astonishing.

_________________
Currently doing a plastic scenery kickstarter
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Crabowl
 Post subject: Top 10 Ways to Deal with odd unit values
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:13 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother

Joined: Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:44 pm
Posts: 123
Location: Finland

(zombocom @ Feb. 08 2008,12:50)
QUOTE
(25 25 25 25) - 100p - (2x2x2x2) = 16 varients
(25 25 40) - 90p - (2x2x1) = 4 varients
(20 20 25 25) - 90p - (1x1x2x2) = 4 varients
(25 25 25 20) - 95p - (2x2x2x1) = 8 varients

25(1) 25(1) 25(1) 25(1)
25(2) 25(1) 25(1) 25(1) -- same as (1,2,1,1) etc.
25(2) 25(2) 25(1) 25(1) -- same as (2,1,2,1) etc.
25(2) 25(2) 25(2) 25(1) -- same as (2,2,1,2) etc.
25(2) 25(2) 25(2) 25(2)

25(1) 25(1) 40
25(2) 25(1) 40 -- same as 25(1) 25(2) 40
25(2) 25(2) 40

25(1) 25(1) 20 20
25(2) 25(1) 20 20 -- same as 25(1) 25(2) 20 20
25(2) 25(2) 20 20

25(1) 25(1) 25(1) 20
25(2) 25(1) 25(1) 20 -- same as 25(1) 25(2) 25(1) 20 and 25(1) 25(1) 25(2) 20
25(2) 25(2) 25(1) 20 -- same as 25(2) 25(1) 25(2) 20 and 25(1) 25(2) 25(2) 20
25(2) 25(2) 25(2) 20

Close but no cookie.

_________________
Gief more guns for less points!
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
CyberShadow
 Post subject: Top 10 Ways to Deal with odd unit values
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:55 pm 
Swarm Tyrant
Swarm Tyrant
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 02, 2003 6:22 pm
Posts: 9350
Location: Singapore
And because I have seen what happens when you disagree in these forums (you get lynched) I shall stop reading this topic so I wont get lynched again, just to have different opinion than some other.


OK. No-one is going to get lynched, and I am disappointed that even one person has this opinion of debate here (and even if you are the only person, I still recognise your right to think that!  :;): ). If people are 'lynched' because of a different, valid opinion then please report this to your favourite neighbourhood moderator, since this kind of action stiffles debate and goes against one of the main purposes of any board, and this one in particular.

I came close to shutting this down a couple of pages ago, but we have now crossed a line. I think that views have been put across, and nothing will be gained from continuing down this path. People just have different opinions.

So, I am closing this, and asking that if the topic comes up again (and I am not naive enough to think that it is gone forever at this point), we treat it as sensitive and explosive.

Thanks.

_________________
https://www.cybershadow.ninja - A brief look into my twisted world, including wargames and beyond.
https://www.net-armageddon.org - The official NetEA (Epic Armageddon) site and resource.
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
  Print view Previous topic | Next topic 
Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  Page 5 of 5
  [ 70 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 8 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


Powered by phpBB ® Forum Software © phpBB Group
CoDFaction Style by Daniel St. Jules of Gamexe.net