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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 6:29 pm 
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Compare the cost to say dinner at a decent resturant......
The sad reality is its an expensive world we live in.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 4:46 pm 
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Yes, I suppose its a fair point about there never being a perfect wargame, and thats why there's new editions being brought out.
I guess I just preferred it when the older versions of games were still current, and rather than bring out a whole new rulebook, updates and supplements appeared in WD. That way you could build up a folder of all the latest stuff without having to rush out and buy the latest version.
Upon reflection, I think this particular rant is an age thing, resistance to change etc etc...though I still wish they would allow a longer gap between new army books and new versions of WFB - harumph!
PS my avatar is not a reflection of my general demeanour, it just made me laugh, is all  ???

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 4:57 pm 
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Hmm. Think I'd rather have dinner. Yum.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:06 pm 
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I guess I just preferred it when the older versions of games were still current, and rather than bring out a whole new rulebook, updates and supplements appeared in WD. That way you could build up a folder of all the latest stuff without having to rush out and buy the latest version.

Well, to some degree that does happen. By the time 4th ed 40K came out, most of us had to lug a bunch of White Dwarfs around, experimental combat rules, access points, minor psychic powers, FAQs, etc. Fantasy was the same way - how does Regeneration work again? In fact, I resented the fact that I needed to buy White Dwarf or the Annual in order to keep up with the rules. In some cases I'm the absolute opposite to you - I'd much rather GW got their act together and made a new version of the rules rather than needing to construct a ring-binder of random stuff that my opponent might well not even be aware of! I certainly remember one occasion where I lost a game due to the dodgy revision of the Regeneration rule (which meant that my opponent's Chaos Lord survived despite me inflicting something like 6 wounds on him) which my opponent gleefully pulled out of a White Dwarf.

I'd much rather have a new edition - 30 quid - than to continue this slide down into cut-and-paste mania requiring me to buy a 12 quid annual every ten minutes.


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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:38 pm 
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They should have a living rule book - no fluff - online, updated 6 monthly. Every 3-5 years all singing all dancing fluff and colour rulebook.

Thats how you stimulate model sales and end carping about rules being out of date.

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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:23 am 
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You have a point there, LI, that can be a pain also. I think you've got the best idea there, TRC, a living, online rulebook which regularly gets updated, and is free to all would solve a lot of problems, although it probably wouldnt satisfy the bibliophiles amongst us  :;): I guess this is a bit of an exercise in subjectivity really, we all have our preferences!
Am I a carp, TRC? sorry!

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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:51 am 
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Actually when refering to our aquatic friends I was thinking about my foray into the bolter and chainsword forum.

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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:05 pm 
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Cor, theres an idea, move WFB and 40K to specialist and move epic, warmaster Necro and mordheim to core! Gets my vote  :p


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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 9:21 am 
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Bolter & Chainsword? Never visited that one. Tactical Command suits my ranting needs better I reckon  :)

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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 9:57 pm 
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BTW am I the only one here that thinks paying ?30 for a large colour A4 Hardback is perfectly reasonable. Have any of you ever had to buy University text books, or even read books?

These days, not ones that cost ?30, no.

If the rules go out of date in 4 or 5 years, then there really is no point in having them in hardback.  Unless you get enraged in games and like to beat your opponent with them  :p

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 2:32 pm 
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BTW am I the only one here that thinks paying ?30 for a large colour A4 Hardback is perfectly reasonable. Have any of you ever had to buy University text books, or even read books?

I have purchased a number of textbooks over the course of my academic career, and have generally found them to be better value than new editions of wargames rulebooks. Not a comparison I thought I'd ever make, but there you go...  ???

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 2:58 pm 
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Yes, I suppose its a fair point about there never being a perfect wargame, and thats why there's new editions being brought out.
I guess I just preferred it when the older versions of games were still current, and rather than bring out a whole new rulebook, updates and supplements appeared in WD. That way you could build up a folder of all the latest stuff without having to rush out and buy the latest version.

Star Fleet Battles used to do this where after you got the Commanders(?) edition of the rule book you had to buy copies of Nexus magazine and Captains Log to keep up with all of the errata.  It made so many players mad to have to buy stuff to keep up with the rules that after a bit they stopped calling it errata and started calling it addenda.  Eventually they stopped, but the joke then became that the end of the world would come about before they would print a comprehensively redone and corrected rulebook.

Hence the reason why when Amarillo Design Bureau did produce a comprehensive rulebook it was called the "Doomsday Edition."

Living Rulebook is a much better solution, but updates should be kept to about once a quarter or twice a year unless there are some really bad errors found.

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 5:54 pm 
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I have purchased a number of textbooks over the course of my academic career, and have generally found them to be better value than new editions of wargames rulebooks. Not a comparison I thought I'd ever make, but there you go... ????

Ha! But on the other hand, I have to say I've read the rulebooks rather more thoroughly than most of my textbooks. And I tend to look forward to a new edition rather more - much as my excitement might be for a new edition of Human Genetics...  :D


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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 11:13 am 
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Ha! But on the other hand, I have to say I've read the rulebooks rather more thoroughly than most of my textbooks. And I tend to look forward to a new edition rather more - much as my excitement might be for a new edition of Human Genetics... ?:D

Indeed! Your case in point is a particularly tiresome example, colour photos of minis win over colour diagrams of DNA any day of the week! (Wait though, someone will reply now saying 'actually, I like.... :D )

Doomsday edition eh?   :;):

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