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Great GW Share Buyup
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Great GW Share Buyup
dafrca
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:04 pm 
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(nealhunt @ Jul. 26 2006,05:21)
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*Bit of trivia - Wrigley's sent out sticks of gum in their annual reports and invitation to the shareholders' meeting for decades. ?Their board decided to cut it out to save costs and there was massive outcry from the shareholders. ?Almost the entire board was voted out at the next meeting.

I love stories like this one. People, shareholders, do get very attached to their little "perks" and it is hard to give those up.  :laugh:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:30 pm 
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Really the only way to get GW to take notice of what we the customers want is to
1) not purchase things that do not provide what we want.  For example they continue to use the LoTR IP to produce more and more games and will probably start the edition rotation soon, unless of course there is no one interested in it.
2) purchase things that provide what we do want or close to what we want,  for example in Epic I would say that if you want models that GW does provide, buy them from GW and not ebay or another source, this shows GW there is an interest in the minis and game.  Also all Epic players should purchase the book as soon as they can, once again showing interest in the game.  This is the same for all Specialist Games, purchase stuff from GW related directly to the game.[I]

Buying the stock will not help us unless we get everyone who wants the games to agree on something and that we can all agree on the next step.

Also remember what happened to Fanatic the Magazine? Cancelled because it was doing better than White Dwarf.  So if a player created monthly magazine for free was distrubted across the net for all Specialist Games players to see and the number of downloads/readers was tracked and was announced each issue.  It becomes more and more popular, eventually GW will get mad at the producers and say stop it and replace it with Fanatic maybe.

Just some thoughts on this.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:35 pm 
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(dafrca @ Jul. 26 2006,18:04)
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(nealhunt @ Jul. 26 2006,05:21)
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*Bit of trivia - Wrigley's sent out sticks of gum in their annual reports and invitation to the shareholders' meeting for decades.  Their board decided to cut it out to save costs and there was massive outcry from the shareholders.  Almost the entire board was voted out at the next meeting.

I love stories like this one. People, shareholders, do get very attached to their little "perks" and it is hard to give those up.  :laugh:

dafrca

They still send out gum, too.  I guess the new board took the hint.  :D

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:48 pm 
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(Heresiarch @ Jul. 25 2006,19:22)
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And of course the operating profit line doesn?t indicate they sold more, but the revenue line does!

Revenue
2005 - ?136.6m
2006 - ?115.2m

Operating profit
2005 - ? ?14.3m
2006 - ?4.2m

Pre-tax profit
2005 - ?13.9m
2006 - ?3.7m

Earnings per share
2005 - 29.4p
2006 - 6.5p

Year end net (borrowings)/funds ?
2005 - ?3.4m
2006- ? ?(2.2m)

Sorry... in no way shape or form does a 60% drop in profits on a 20% drop in sales constitute a "healthy" company.

Hi!

I agree.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:13 am 
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(orangesm @ Jul. 26 2006,18:30)
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Also remember what happened to Fanatic the Magazine? Cancelled because it was doing better than White Dwarf.

Really? I have not heard that one before!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:25 am 
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I thought Fanatic was cancelled because noone was buying it...

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Outselling White Dwarf seems very odd.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:45 pm 
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Since we are talking about shares money and other stuff I'll never have (nid figures from GW).  I thought I would ask you boffins

"How does share price effect a company?"

I have always assumed that, unless a company wants to sell more shares to get some quick cash, once a company has sold its shares to the public, and gotten its money.  Then it no longer needs to care about how much those shares now trade at.  They have become irrellivant, since they now have the cash and a load of people don't own enough to effect what they do.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:06 pm 
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I have always assumed that, unless a company wants to sell more shares to get some quick cash, once a company has sold its shares to the public, and gotten its money. ?Then it no longer needs to care about how much those shares now trade at. ?They have become irrellivant, since they now have the cash and a load of people don't own enough to effect what they do.

Often "higher-ups" in companies own a lot of shares as well, so *they* want them to do well... as well, Boards of Directors (said, "higher-ups") can be voted out by a large enough group of shareholders during annual meetings and such.

I wish they'd vote out Tom Kirby...




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nealhunt
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:22 pm 
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It affects them in a lot of ways.

First, the people who own shares own the company and if the company does a bad job, there WILL be enough people to affect what they do.  That means the management's job is basically to increase the share price and/or provide dividends.  If they fail to do so they will be fired for not doing their job.

Second, companies typically do not issue all the stock they are allowed to issue and they may buy back stock shares.  This allows them to effectively "borrow" capital when they need it.  The "interest" would be the difference in the share price between when they sell and when they buy it back.  They can usually do so under special trading rules for handling their own stock so it gives them extra financial flexibility beyond just being able to do invest in the general market.

There are also other tricks of the trade that are opened up when the company is publicly traded, like offering options as compensation and so on.  Generally speaking, the higher the market capitalization (# of shares * price), the more flexibility and tools the company has.

Many of those benefits, however, are contingent upon a ready market for the shares.  Shares trade best within a certain range of prices.  So, if a company's share price gets too high it is beneficial for them to split the stock to bring the price back down to a point where trading volume remains high.

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(Chroma @ Jul. 27 2006,14:06)
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I wish they'd vote out Tom Kirby...

Performance aside, it?s rather naughty of GW to have the same man as Chairman and Chief Exec.

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Ok I was exaggerating about Fanatic.

But I heard from a store owner, who played SG games, said that Fanatic was doing better than it should have in the eyes of GW main house. It was a better magazine overall and it may be that as purchases of Fanatic went up sell of White Dwarf went down.  So Fanatic was cutting in to White Dwarfs market share I suppose was the concern. It probably has more to do with White Dwarf no longer actually containing alot of useful articles and the rise of LoTR as a banner game.

Why I support webzines that are player produced and contain actually useful information.

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It was a better magazine overall and it may be that as purchases of Fanatic went up sell of White Dwarf went down.

Which should have told them that people want to read something useful.  Despite my defence of GW?s prospects, I am still mystified as to how they think they?re going to get away with selling a monthly catalogue to people.

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(Bombot @ Jul. 27 2006,07:34)
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Despite my defence of GW?s prospects, I am still mystified as to how they think they?re going to get away with selling a monthly catalogue to people.

Thank God for the FANBOYs  :p

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(Bombot @ Jul. 27 2006,15:34)
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Which should have told them that people want to read something useful. ?Despite my defence of GW?s prospects, I am still mystified as to how they think they?re going to get away with selling a monthly catalogue to people.

I looked at the latest White Dwarf in a store today... I think 50% of it was Lord of the Rings "articles"... it was terrible!

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