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Heresiarch
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:45 am 
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Quote (Tas @ 08 April 2006 (17:32))
Too be blunt about it theres practically nothing original in any of GW's settings and not knowing that the game you play has done that is in fact irony.


It used to be an amusing game in the first days of RT - seeing hat bit of history got ripped off and had the names changed.  But then as it continued and names didnt even get changed much, it got pretty dull.

There was some objections a few years ago too about GW's insensititivty about reusing names from the Spanish Inquisition and so forth.

Agreed Tas.

To me at least the amusement value of a historical reference is more or less proportional to the obscurity of it. The more obscure the more amusing.

If it's so obscure that I don't recognize it as even being a reference I can at least respect it as being "original" at least in terms of either the research or the knowledge behind it but when you get things like The Empire in WFB that are stolen wholesale from history with almost no changes to it...

Well, frankly I'd rather play a historical game with those units than WFB.

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For those that are confused

irony

 ? noun (pl. ironies) 1 the expression of meaning through the use of language which normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous effect. 2 a state of affairs that appears perversely contrary to what one expects.

 ? ORIGIN Greek eironeia ?simulated ignorance?.

sarcasm

 ? noun the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.

 ? ORIGIN Greek sarkasmos, from sarkazein ?tear flesh?, later ?gnash the teeth, speak bitterly?.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:52 pm 
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Quote (Heresiarch @ 08 April 2006 (19:29))
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I guess.

Oh, and the old guy in the strip was being sarcastic, not ironic, but it is ironic you didn't know that.


Ummm... sorry but I'm afraid it is irony and not sarcasm.

It's irony in the sense that GW has blatantly ripped off actual historical units and setting details lock stock and barrel to populate ?"their" universe.

Too be blunt about it theres practically nothing original in any of GW's settings and not knowing that the game you play has done that is in fact irony.

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True. The only original thought was their once excellent marketing to make people buy them....  :;):

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I noticed pretty quickly when I first started playing WHFRPG how much GW ripped off place names and history, a practice which, of course, continues to this day. It's one thing to use actual places and events as inspiration, but to be so blatant about it is another matter. It almost seems as if GW doesn't even bother any more to create original names for anything.  :angry:

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Hi Guys,

I missed out on this one.

But to add my two cents, I think that Larry Leadhead is very benign and while it is a comic and makes jokes, I don't think that the writer/artist is out to get anybody's goat.

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