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Hojyn
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Post subject: [BatRep] Iyanden vs. AMTL - 4000 pts  Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:38 pm |
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Hi,
just had another battle this afternoon, here's the report.
I played Iyanden again, using MC23's latest modifications to the list :
- Spirit Warhost = 4 Wraithguards for 250 points
- Vampires can only carry a maximum 4 Wraithguards.
Since I've recently finished painting my Iyanden force, I asked my opponent to play a 4000 points battle. That way I could use different options for my Spirit Warhosts and see which ones work best.
First, the army lists :
Iyanden
Spirit Warhost
Spirit Warhost
Spirit Warhost + 3 Wraithlords
Spirit Warhost + 4 Wave Serpent + Wraithseer
Guardian Warhost
Falcon Troupe (1 Firestorm)
Falcon Troupe (1 Firestorm)
Aspect Warriors (4 Dire Avengers) + 2 Wave Serpents
Aspect Warriors (4 Dire Avengers) + 2 Wave Serpents
Nightspinner Troupe
2 Cobras
1 Stormserpent
Vampire Raider
Vampire Raider
Here's part of my army
AMTL v2.0
Reaver Titan with 2x Quake Cannons, Sacred Icon, Carapace Landing Pad and Carapace Multi-Lasers
Reaver Titan with 2x Turbo-Laser Destructor and 1x Plasma Cannon
Reaver Titan with 2x Vulcan Mega-Bolter, Volcano Cannon and Carapace Multi-Lasers
Warhound Pack
Cataphract Cohort (6 Leman Russ)
Skitarii Cohort (6 Skitarii and 3 Chimeras)
Flak Battery
Recon Cohort
Recon Cohort
Paladin Household + Paladin upgrade (6 Paladins)
And here's the AMTL in all its glory
Deployment
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Hojyn
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Post subject: [BatRep] Iyanden vs. AMTL - 4000 pts Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:55 pm |
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Turn 1
Eldar won the activation.
Not much happened this turn, as we were both trying to stay either in cover or out of range of the other army's most powerful weapons.
Events of note :
The Reaver with Quake Cannons placedthe cobras and the Falcons on the far left under barrage templates... and rolled 1, 1, 1 and 2 on his to-hit rolls. 
Dire Avengers engaged the Sentinels hiding in the woods in the middle of the table, and unsurprisingly, destroyed them.
Spirit Warhost (SW) in Vampire assaulted the Skitarii, and destroyed them as well (but losing one stand in the process). They then used their consolidation movement to hop back into the Vampire.
The other SW in Vampire, fearful of the AA blanket in the middle of the AMTL deployment zone (2 Carapace Multilasers and 3 Hydras), decided to assault the Leman Russes on Overwatch behing the huge piton on the right. I wanted to test the limits of the SW... now I know them : the Vampire and 2 Wraithguards were destroyed and the surviving stand lost the assault.
The Supreme Commander formation got shot at by a Reaver and was broken. Same thing happened to the Dire Avengers who met two irate Warhounds.
My Storm Serpent tried to activate... and rolled two consecutives 1s (so much for the 100 pts Supreme Commander).
>>> So, I destroyed the two weakest formations of the AMTL (Skitarii and Sentinels), lost one of my SW and got several of my formations broken (none of wich rallied).
Here's the table at the end of turn 1
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Post subject: [BatRep] Iyanden vs. AMTL - 4000 pts Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:06 pm |
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Sweet table, sweet armies... all sweet! I look forward to the rest of the report!
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Hojyn
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Post subject: [BatRep] Iyanden vs. AMTL - 4000 pts Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:13 pm |
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Turn 2
Eldar won the initiative again.
Time to go on the offensive !
The Falcons hiding behind the woods in the center moved, fired on the Reaver with Plasma Cannon (removing 3 shields), and moved back to safety.
Then I retained and doubled again with the Cobras hiding behind a big pillar, shooting at the same titan and the nearby Paladins, missing the Titan altogether but killing 2 Knights before moving back in cover behind the pillar.
Finally, the Falcons on the left got near the Reaver with Quake Cannon (his Break Their Spirit) but only managed to remove 2 shields.
On the other side of the table, the Reaver with Volcano canon doubled and shot at the Storm Serpent, breaking it. The SS used its "retreat" move to actually go nearer the titan.
The remaining Dire Avengers got in FF position, shooting at the Volcano Reaver just for the blast marker. I the retained the initiative again and used the portal of the Storm Serpent to engage the Reaver with my SW with Wraithlords. Unfortunately, bad rolls on my part resulted in only -1Dc for the Titan, while I lost 2 Wraithlords... and the assault !
The Warhounds cut right through the woods to shoot at the Cobras, destroying one and breaking the other.
The Nightspinners then put enough blast markers on the Reaver with Plasma Cannon to break it, while the Titan with Quake Cannons broke a Falcon troupe (destroying 2 Falcons).
The Guardians entered wia the Wraithgate and shot at the Paladins, making no casualties but breaking them thanks to the automatic BM.
The Sentinels managed to destroy 2 Falcons from the other troupe, breaking them as well... and then the Hydras doubled and shot at them, destoying them.
>>> Sooo... by the end of turn 2, most of my units were broken or in bad shape, the enemy titans were almost intact and the Paladins had rallied. To say things were looking bad would be an understatement.
No picture as of yet, I ran out of batteries... But my opponent took pictures as well, so I'll try and get some from him.
EDIT : He did his own battle report HERE (it's in French, but you can have a look at the battle seen from the AMTL side... that, and his camera is better than mine ? )
Here's the end of turn 2
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Hojyn
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Post subject: [BatRep] Iyanden vs. AMTL - 4000 pts Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:37 pm |
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Turn 3
Not wanting to die without a good fight, I summoned the Avatar just behind the Reaver with Volcano... and lost the initiative !!! 
As you can see below, my Avatar spent the rest of the turn feeling lonely...
So, the Reaver took the opportunity to run away from the avatar and to annnihilate the surviving Dire Avengers... My opponent then retained the initiative and fired at the only Falcon troupe that had rallied last turn... blasting them to dust.
Still undaunted (but knowing now for sure that I'm going to lose), I decide to do something with my avatar. I plan a superb triple assault on the Leman Russes in three steps :
1. moving the guardians in FF position, placing a BM on the Leman Russes
2. doubling with the Avatar to get near the LR (couldn't get in CC)
3. engage with the surviving Wraithguard from turn 1, whi were hiding behind the piton.
Trouble is, I rolled two 1s again when trying to activate the Avatar (damn Supreme Commander !), leaving my Guardians just in front of the Leman Russes...
The rest of the turn is not event worth mentioning. Suffice to say I was soundly beaten, and to add insult to injury, my opponent managed to score a 5-0 win ! 
Here's the table at the end of turn 3... not much yellow left !
Just to give you a better idea of my utter defeat, here's a picture of Iyanden's casualties...
... and a picture of the AMTL's casualties.
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Post subject: [BatRep] Iyanden vs. AMTL - 4000 pts Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:00 pm |
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Ouch! That's a rather ... painful experience to have to report.
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Hojyn
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Post subject: [BatRep] Iyanden vs. AMTL - 4000 pts Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:16 pm |
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So, let's (try to) analyse this ! 
- How did the various Spirit Warhost perform ?
Not very well, to say the truth. Of course, they were up against Titans and other RA units, but still...
? * SW in Vampire Raider : against "regular" formations, they are still very strong (but much more manageable for the enemy due to their reduced size) ; against rock-solid formations like Leman Russes and Paladins, they are not numerous enough to compete. In general, they lack some punch but their small size is compensated by the fact that they can enter combat without BM (air assault).
? * SW with Wraithlords : 7 units is a much more reasonable size. Even though they didn't do much, they almost won a combat against a Reaver (we both had the same combat result : I rolled a 5, he rolled a 6...) and the fact that they can be deployed via a Storm Serpent increases their usefulness. Once they are out of the webway, though, they only move 15cm... so beware where you drop them.
? * SW with Wave Serpents : Just as I said in my last battle report, they are not good enough for their points. They are on the table right from the start and very hide to hide from a determined adversary. Also, being now only 4-strong, they are that much more vulnerable to BM. By far my leasst favorite option.
>>> Only 4 units per Spirit Warhost is not enough IMO. It works reasonably well when they are deployed in Vampire Raiders... but they are too fragile and break very easily.
I'd suggest adopting MC23's other suggestion of a 4-6 Spirit Warhost. Perhaps something along these lines :
Spirit Warhost: 4 Wraithguards for 250. Upgrade 1 : 2 Wraithguards for +125 points. Wave Serpents for + 50 each. Upgrade 2 : 3 Wraithlords for + 175 points. If Upgrade 2 is taken, no Wave Serpents.
Also, keep the "4 Wraithguard per Vampire" limit, this is a good thing. That way, you could choose between 4-strong formations that can "deepstrike" in enemy territory or 6-strong formations that have to deploy via the wabway or in Wave Serpents.
As for the Supreme Commander, I managed to roll two 1s twice again, so it'll come as no surprise that I find him way too expensive. Reducing his cost to +75 seems reasonable. I would reduce his cost to +50, but then I'm somewhat biased against him... ?
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Post subject: [BatRep] Iyanden vs. AMTL - 4000 pts Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:23 am |
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Hi Holyn,
That is a pretty tough AMTL list you were facing. And from the sounds of it your opponent knew what to do (e.g. taking out the cobras pretty quick). So no shame in loosing, especially with a playtest list.
I tend to think that the AMTL gets progressively better as points values increase, as they can still field the multiple titans, but can more easily fit in sufficient support formations.
Its a really tough army to take out "head-on", as the titans have superb firepower and are really tough. With enough points the AMTL can more easily have enough formations to prevent being easily out-maneuvred, which is a problem at lower points.
Did you and your oppoent know what army list you would be facing?
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Post subject: [BatRep] Iyanden vs. AMTL - 4000 pts Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:04 am |
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Is this the Storm Serpent? Do you have a better pic; it seems to be a old Tempest with Phantom wings attached plus some other bit in place of the turret.
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Post subject: [BatRep] Iyanden vs. AMTL - 4000 pts Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:12 am |
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| Quote (Mojarn Piett @ 13 Jan. 2006 (09:04)) | | Is this the Storm Serpent? Do you have a better pic; it seems to be a old Tempest with Phantom wings attached plus some other bit in place of the turret. |
That's what it is. I've glued the turret of an old Wave Serpent on top of it.
I'll post pics in the Modelling section later today.
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Post subject: [BatRep] Iyanden vs. AMTL - 4000 pts Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:55 pm |
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Spirit Warhost (SW) in Vampire assaulted the Skitarii, and destroyed them as well (but losing one stand in the process). They then used their consolidation movement to hop back into the Vampire. |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought JJ ruled against this tactic. I 'thought' aircraft delivered troops could not consolidate back into the aircraft the same turn it dropped them off.
I think this made it into the most recent faq, but I could be mistaken.
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Post subject: [BatRep] Iyanden vs. AMTL - 4000 pts Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:48 pm |
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I thought that if a consolidation move was used in that situation then the transport aircraft was unable to take of in the end phase and had to remain grounded until the next turn.
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Post subject: [BatRep] Iyanden vs. AMTL - 4000 pts Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:00 pm |
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Hi!
Wonderful report and pictures!
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Post subject: [BatRep] Iyanden vs. AMTL - 4000 pts Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:24 pm |
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I am interested, have been painting my Inyaden figures, and have some concerns about smaller units of wraithguard. (AND YES i KNOW THAT sm'S FACE THIS ALL THE TIME),but 4 wraithguard units are too weak to take on any well supportede formation (IMHO). The last time I played I used Inyaden against IG and had both units obliterated one ?got destroyed by infantry on overwatch, the other tangled with a reaver.
I have no problem that I lost, as using 6 wraithlords and a wraithguard unit or 1000 points of assault plus two other units for shields and baalst markers I took out a reaver the game before, however I used 1125 points in the assualt and 500 points of shooting. I should have won, he has two blast markers I have none etc.
4 units will never do it, so why take them, the army is no longer competative.
As for air assult, that is why you have to take aircraft and AA, if the you don't you should lose as that is what happens in any recent warfare, control the skies and you win the battle(1973 on excluding the Falklands (where an argument can be made for the Brits having serious deterrent potential)). An air assualt uncontested should be deadly, it is with Orks, with Biel Tahn and with SM's, so why not with Inyaden?
Let me know what you think
Robert
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