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Army List Review - Chaos 4000 pts
dafrca
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 1:28 am 
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Quote (MaksimSmelchak @ 24 2004 May,17:21)
Would someone please send me the photo as well?

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If someone does not send it by the time I get home I will.

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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 4:21 am 
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Dafrca,

Thanks for the photo!

It looks too much like 28mm Wraithguard to be a Revenant.

It would make a better Phantom.

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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 4:47 am 
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Quote (MaksimSmelchak @ 24 2004 May,20:21)
Dafrca,

Thanks for the photo!

It looks too much like 28mm Wraithguard to be a Revenant.

It would make a better Phantom.

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.

Yep, I am having a hard time seeing it as an epic scale anything. Now to be honest, I like the look, but it is just not an Eldar Titan to me.

If this is where they are going with the Titans, I wonder if they are changing the overall look. Would not be the first time the Eldar got a make over in Epic.

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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 11:15 am 
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on the playtest forum, someone who disliked the "40k scale" look suggested to fill up the visor on the helmet to make it look more liike a wraithGuard or another "wraith-thing".
I think it may indeed work... the anime-look come mostly from the pose i think; in fact it make me think of 40k aspects warrior, so it must still be quite eldar-ish... While the "wrong scale" feeling bother me, i must say i consider the design is quite pleasing to my taste, and it look quite eldarish to me.

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Quote (Athmos @ 25 2004 May,03:15)
the anime-look come mostly from the pose i think; in fact it make me think of 40k aspects warrior, so it must still be quite eldar-ish... While the "wrong scale" feeling bother me, i must say i consider the design is quite pleasing to my taste, and it look quite eldarish to me.

I think what is missing for me is the sense of size. When I look at the original Eldar Titans there is a sense of mass dispite their thin structure. Same goes for many of the Epic models, they "feel" large.

I look at this model and I only feel the shape not the "size". I think that is what makes it feel like a 28mm model rather then an epic titan.

Now the fun part is how to get that feeling back?

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on the playtest forum, someone who disliked the "40k scale" look suggested to fill up the visor on the helmet to make it look more liike a wraithGuard or another "wraith-thing".


*cough* ..and thats just what I said earlier in this thread too....  spies are about I tell ya...  :blues:  lol...  :laugh:

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Quote (stormseer @ 25 2004 May,14:26)
on the playtest forum, someone who disliked the "40k scale" look suggested to fill up the visor on the helmet to make it look more liike a wraithGuard or another "wraith-thing".


*cough* ..and thats just what I said earlier in this thread too.... ?spies are about I tell ya... ?:blues: ?lol... ?:laugh:

Well, you know they just love to copy you.  :;):

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Quote (stormseer @ 25 2004 May,22:26)
*cough* ..and thats just what I said earlier in this thread too....  spies are about I tell ya...  :blues:  lol...  :laugh:

It seems our dear warmaster escaped my Grey Knights after all... Time for some chastisement.  :p  :laugh:

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Well, sorry stormseer, but as i read the 2 forum, i often forgot on which one i read some idea (mind you, many idea and opinions are represented here and at the playtest forum), or on which i read it first, and makes a mess of quoting.
Well, back to the scale issue : i wonder if basing will not save the revenant, as simple as it is, specially as the pose will let a lot of space on the titan base. ruins, wrecked vehicules or infantry will easily change it all; painting can also give proper sense of scale, but it may be quite hard to achieve (take a look at This to see what i'm speaking about; i'll concede that the photo is partly responsible for the feeling of hugeness of this mini).

To sumarize my opinions; i quite like the mini, even if i was at first quite surprised, but i'll reserve further opinions for when i've seen it painted and based (Maybe Mr Skull will show it to us once he's done with the buggar ? if he is the comissioned guy for it ? please ?).

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Quote (Athmos @ 26 2004 May,08:10)
(Maybe Mr Skull will show it to us once he's done with the buggar ? if he is the comissioned guy for it ? please ?).

Athmos

If I do the revenants, I'll post pics as soon as I can.

However, Carl is now also working on some of the Eldar & since I've been ill I'm having to let more of the swordwind commissions slip so I dont actually know which pieces I'll end up doing in the next 2 months & which pieces will go elsewhere.

I'm hoping that for consistency's sake I'll end up doing the titans so all the basing matches - thats my claim to the job anyhow  :D

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Maybe you are right, with the correct basing and paint job it will look better.

I do like the TItan you showed. Well done. The "Walking down the street" look does the miniature good.

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I've got a 4000 pt game versus an eldar opponent. This is actually going to be a rematch as we played last week at 4K pts and tied, 1 goal to 0 in my favour. So the list here is much the same with a few changes I want to try.

Its made using v3.4 of the Chaos List with a couple nods to the stated changes Pixelgeek is thinking of putting in.

Infantry Platoon (8 marines) with 2 obliterators, icon
= 480 pts

Infantry Platoon (8 marines) with 4 havocs, icon
= 480 pts

Scout Detachment (4 scout marines) with 2 rhinos
= 170 pts

Scout Detachment (4 scout marines) with 2 rhinos
= 170 pts

Armoured Detachment of 4 Predators, 1 Land Raider
= 275 pts

Armoured Detachment of 4 Predators, 1 Land Raider
= 275 pts

Strike Detachment of 4 Chosen Terminators
= 260 pts

Strike Detachment of 4 Raptors
= 140 pts

Cavalry Detachment of 8 Bikes
= 300 pts

Reserve Detachment of Decimator, 3 Defilers
= 450 pts

Assault Company of 2 Deathwheels
= 550 pts

Air Support Formation of 3 Hellblades (actually swiftdeaths but I like the idea of the hellblade much better)
= 200 pts

Air Support Formation of 2 Helltalons
= 200 pts

== 4000 pts

The Chaos Warlord would most likely be the chaos lord of the raptors.

Comments are welcome keeping in mind one main restriction from the background of my Chaos Legion: I cannot and will not take anything dedicated to a chaos god other than chaos undivided. So don't bother with suggestions of Cult Marines or greater daemons.
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I'd remove the aircraft entirely. They are useless against Eldar.


I'd beef up the Raptors a bit. Currently its a small formation and will break easily. I'd also give them some Sacrifices. As I would also do with the Chosen.

I'd take the Defilers from the Decimator formations. Its too easy for your opponent to add BMs and break the Decimator by shooting the Defilers.

If you have the extra points from the aircraft I'd suggest adding a formation of Land Raiders and perhaps adding a Daemon prince to the Chosen (he can be Undivded)

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Re: aircraft - how do you deal with the threat of Eldar aircraft? I.e. how many obilterators?

Re: Raptors - Yeah, I got to get more stands of them. :/

Thanks for the suggestions.

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Quote (QuintAan @ 08 2005 July,10:38)
Re: aircraft - how do you deal with the threat of Eldar aircraft? I.e. how many obilterators?

I don't really worry aabout their aircraft that much. I don't worry about aircraft in general. CSM units have good armour and can get in cover fairly easy making most aircraft less of a threat.

What I would be more concerned with are Nightspinners and any Disrupt weapons the Eldar have. Disrupt can really ruin your day. I'd suggest putting your armour formations on "Nightspinner" hunting duty if he brings any

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