kyussinchains wrote:
5 min warmup probably, or down to a TO/group (like EpicUK or EpicAU) to set things ahead of time, I'm fairly sure that EUK permit the situation as described above, only part of the base has to remain within 5cm of the transport, so you can reach things over 10cm away (or 15cm for speed >=30cm) with a standard countercharge with mounted troops
the rulebook uses 'within' for many things, but never 'wholly within' so it's about consistency really, if you're going to say that troops can only disembark wholly within 5cm, then it's probably quite reasonable to insist that units have to be wholly within 5cm (or 20cm for scouts) for coherency (another example where basing choice can be an advantage) and if we go down that path then does a unit or war engine have to be wholly within range of the target, or for a matter of fact does a target have to be wholly within range of the shooter
none of these things are stipulated in the rulebook and a decent case could be made for many of them ("you can only just reach the barrel of the gun, how are you expected to hit the vulnerable bits of the vehicle??")
but yeah 5min warmup is for those things
the rulebook uses 'within' for many things, but never 'wholly within' so it's about consistency really, if you're going to say that troops can only disembark wholly within 5cm, then it's probably quite reasonable to insist that units have to be wholly within 5cm (or 20cm for scouts) for coherency (another example where basing choice can be an advantage) and if we go down that path then does a unit or war engine have to be wholly within range of the target, or for a matter of fact does a target have to be wholly within range of the shooter
none of these things are stipulated in the rulebook and a decent case could be made for many of them ("you can only just reach the barrel of the gun, how are you expected to hit the vulnerable bits of the vehicle??")
but yeah 5min warmup is for those things
It's true that the rulebook never says "wholly/fully/entirely within". It only ever says "within". Therefore it's curious that EpicUK makes a point of defining "fully within" without mentioning that that expression doesn't exist in the rules. Perhaps it was to assist UK TOs for "house ruling" purposes.
As others have said, bunging it in the 5min warm up is not ideal. For the reason that it otherwise gives an (extra) advantage to certain base shapes I would prefer a "fully within" approach for disembarking being widely adopted. That is also because it feels right to me (same as Norto) In respect to consistency there is a precedent in the rules for a different approach: deployment zone is "within 15cm" of table edge but I think everyone plays it as fully within. RAW they do not have to.
flyingthruwater wrote:
I thought the Saurus would Countercharge 5cms and then the troops inside would get a 5cm dismount.
As an aside does it say something in the movement rules about no part of the model's base moving more than it's movement allowance? I.e no measuring from front of the base to the back of the base?
As an aside does it say something in the movement rules about no part of the model's base moving more than it's movement allowance? I.e no measuring from front of the base to the back of the base?
I think it is correct that it is the saurus that countercharges not the troops (though it's still 5 + 5)
I don't see anything in the movement rules about how to measure
Norto wrote:
So when you guys measure you can move then spin the base to gain an extra 40mm then do it again so marching you could add 12cm to your move?
There's no rule to say you can't
StevekCole wrote:
On the 5m warm up, totally agree. In the UK most of this stuff is part of the tournament pack or has rulings. The warm up is mostly used to agree what terrain is what (building or ruin being the common discussion) plus explaining any weird stuff in your army!
I wish that were (more) true. They do clarify a few things but there's still a lot of issues unfortunatley.
