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Which Armies are 'overpowered' - And how to counter them

Lego

Post subject: Re: Which Armies are 'overpowered' - And how to counter them

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:05 pm

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As a Euro player I don't see any disproportional BT wins in our tournaments. They are fragile and counterable however they tend to rack up a lot of objectives when they win big as all fast and agile armies do (SM are a good comparison).

To get back to Gingers original question the lists that seem to be the most overtuned are Skitarii, Feral orks and Speed freaks.

All three lists seem to be exceptionally hard to counter with an all comer list in a tournament setting. (or at all in the case of Skitarii)

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jimmyzimms

Post subject: Re: Which Armies are 'overpowered' - And how to counter them

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:59 am

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I've long wondered/suspected but have no proof nor stats that FO may be off kilter in a competitive environment if were brought out in regularity in enough places. I think model availability has prevented/discouraged use so not an issue that's raised it's head. Granted most things that are troublesome as such actually turn out are usually more to do with unfamiliarity and the need for the meta to adjust to handle them (necrons for example)

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Post subject: Re: Which Armies are 'overpowered' - And how to counter them

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:29 am

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Possibly feral orks might win a lot of games if they could actually finish them

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Post subject: Re: Which Armies are 'overpowered' - And how to counter them

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:34 am

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I would love to see examples of Skitarii list thats actually playable and competitive! Mrdiealot had some some good ideas how to use it.

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StevekCole

Post subject: Re: Which Armies are 'overpowered' - And how to counter them

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:22 am

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Ferals fall firmly into the hard to lose with but hard to win with camp! The big issue is speed. I think my brother's tournament record is something like 3 wins and 9 draws with them.

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JimXII

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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:28 am

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The issue i see with feral orks is Dino spam. A recent castle assault winner took 6! And that's a lot of dc for any army let alone a 1/3 of an army.
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flyingthruwater

Post subject: Re: Which Armies are 'overpowered' - And how to counter them

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:35 am

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My usual skitarri list (EpicUK) elicits cries of cheese so I guess its not bad.

Skitarri + Magos + Hydra
Skitarri + Gorgon
Skitarri + Minoris (Plasma Cannon)
Skitarri + Minoris (Plasma Cannon)
Skitarri + Hydra
Praetorians + Gorgon
Praetorians + Gorgon
Sonic Majoris or Knight Household
2 x Thunderbolt Squadrons

I don't think its that good really but they do seem to have a tool for most jobs, and the Sonic Disruption Cannon is devastating!

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Tiny-Tim

Post subject: Re: Which Armies are 'overpowered' - And how to counter them

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:09 pm

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Interesting that Ferals have been mentioned.

I have stopped taking them to tournaments as my opponents just started to play corners all the time and this almost always meant that the list couldn't push forward for a win, Blitz & BTS kept out of the way whilst the DtF objectives are split forcing preventing the army from easily claiming these. TnH is a possible goal, but I ended up drawing so much that it was not competitive against other players/armies.

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JimXII

Post subject: Re: Which Armies are 'overpowered' - And how to counter them

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:36 pm

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What list were you running?
Cheers
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Tiny-Tim

Post subject: Re: Which Armies are 'overpowered' - And how to counter them

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:38 pm

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Wild Boyz + Warlord, Wyrdboy & Orkeosaurus
Wild Boyz + Wyrdboy & Orkeosaurus
Wild Boyz + Wyrdboy & Orkeosaurus
Junka Brigade
Junka Brigade
Mad Boyz (11)
Boarboyz (Big) + Wyrdboy
Boarboyz
Boarboyz
Boarboyz
Boarboyz
Boarboyz
Boarboyz
Boarboyz
Steam Gargants (3)

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JimXII

Post subject: Re: Which Armies are 'overpowered' - And how to counter them

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:54 pm

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The feral ork list steve took was something like this
Snagga's Feral Ork Horde TP2016 / Snagga's Feral Ork Horde TP20163000

    Wildboyz Horde                                       300
        2xNobz
        6xWildboyz
        Orkeosaurus
        Warlord

    Wildboyz Horde                                       300
        2xNobz
        6xWildboyz
        Orkeosaurus

    Wildboyz Horde                                       300
        2xNobz
        6xWildboyz
        Orkeosaurus

    Wildboyz Horde                                       300
        2xNobz
        6xWildboyz
        Orkeosaurus

    Wildboyz Horde                                       300
        2xNobz
        6xWildboyz
        Orkeosaurus

    Wildboyz Horde                                       300
        2xNobz
        Orkeosaurus
        6xWildboyz

    Wildboyz Horde                                       175
        2xNobz
        2xSquig Katapult
        6xWildboyz

    Wildboyz Horde                                       175
        2xNobz
        6xWildboyz
        2xSquig Katapult

    Boarboyz Horde                                       100
        5xBoarboyz

    Boarboyz Horde                                       100
        5xBoarboyz

    Boarboyz Horde                                       100
        5xBoarboyz

    Boarboyz Horde                                       100
        5xBoarboyz

    Boarboyz Horde                                       100
        5xBoarboyz

    Big Steam Gargant Horde                              350
        2xSteam Gargant

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JimXII

Post subject: Re: Which Armies are 'overpowered' - And how to counter them

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:57 pm

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Two units with catapults on garrison and the rest had a french foreign legion feel to it... March or die for the first 2 turns. Stream gargants hang at the back to protect blitz and the boar boys initiate aslts or claim objs.

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Tiny-Tim

Post subject: Re: Which Armies are 'overpowered' - And how to counter them

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:38 pm

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Countering Snagga's FO List

Definitely a risky list when coming up against any aircraft.
5x Boarboyz can be a bit of risk as they are so small and an obvious first target to bring activations down.
Garrisoned Squig Catapults - has more of a scare factor than anything else. They can hurt, but are more there to distract you from killing Boarboyz & placing blast markers on the Orkeosaurus.
BTS as 2x Steam Gargants - I'd be targeting that every game, artillery, long range shooting, teleports or air assaults.

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JimXII

Post subject: Re: Which Armies are 'overpowered' - And how to counter them

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:41 pm

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Sorry this is the build.

Snagga's Feral Ork Horde TP2016 / Snagga's Feral Ork Horde TP20163000

    Wildboyz Horde                                       300
        2xNobz
        6xWildboyz
        Orkeosaurus
        Warlord

    Wildboyz Horde                                       300
        2xNobz
        6xWildboyz
        Orkeosaurus

    Wildboyz Horde                                       300
        2xNobz
        6xWildboyz
        Orkeosaurus

    Wildboyz Horde                                       300
        2xNobz
        6xWildboyz
        Orkeosaurus

    Wildboyz Horde                                       300
        2xNobz
        6xWildboyz
        Orkeosaurus

    Wildboyz Horde                                       300
        2xNobz
        Orkeosaurus
        6xWildboyz

    Wildboyz Horde                                       175
        2xNobz
        2xSquig Katapult
        6xWildboyz

    Wildboyz Horde                                       175
        2xNobz
        6xWildboyz
        2xSquig Katapult

    Boarboyz Horde                                       100
        5xBoarboyz

    Boarboyz Horde                                       100
        5xBoarboyz

    Boarboyz Horde                                       100
        5xBoarboyz

    Boarboyz Horde                                       100
        5xBoarboyz

    Boarboyz Horde                                       100
        5xBoarboyz

    Big Steam Gargant Horde                              350
        2xSteam Gargant
The boar boys are an easy target to bring down activations that's for sure. Still a hard list to beat. Even if it plastic dinosaurs..

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wargame_insomniac

Post subject: Re: Which Armies are 'overpowered' - And how to counter them

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:51 pm

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Tiny-Tim wrote:

Tim

I remember when you brought some Feral Orks over to a club game at Frenchie's a few years back. I was your ally on the other flank that day, but certainly thought it would have been a tough army to face/ A solid core of Orkeasaurs and Steam Gargants with a mass of smaller Boardboyz and Wildboyz for activations. Think that was the last time I persuaded Frenchie and Russ to try Epic

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