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Help with a Steel Legion List?

 Post subject: Help with a Steel Legion List?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:00 am 
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Hi guys,

Just a couple of questions. I have the following models which total up to 1700 points nicely but...what would be a logical addition? I'm a new player to Epic (I am a regular 6mm moderns gamer though so not a total n00b to list building ) so I might be wrong but feel that the lists lacks...punch. Big scary tank or Titan esque punch.

REGIMENTAL HQ [775]
Supreme Commander, 12 Infantry, 7 Chimera, Hellhound Squadron (3 Hellhounds), Tank Squadron (3 Demolishers)

MECHANISED INFANTRY COMPANY [625]
Commander, 12 Infantry, 7 Chimera, Griffon Battery (3 Griffons), Tank Squadron (3 Demolishers)

THUNDERBOLT FIGHTERS [150]
2 Thunderbolts

THUNDERBOLT FIGHTERS [150]
2 Thunderbolts

Probably aiming for 2000 or 2500 points initially but I understand that the tournament standard is 3000? I'm mainly a Soviet Motor Rifle regiment player at my club so thats probably why I bought two armoured infantry companies back in the day!

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 Post subject: Re: Help with a Steel Legion List?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:31 am 
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if you're looking at friendly play then basically whatever you feel like using.... if you've got your eye on more competetive, tournament type gaming, then I would suggest these pointers for a newcomer to both guard and epic:

1. Activation count is very important, if you only have 5-6 very durable formations, you are often at a disadvantage to an opponent with 10-11 as they are able to out-activate you and then are able to act without you being able to respond, equally however, having 15+ activations in an army can often mean they are very fragile and unable to have much effect on the game, for Steel legion, I'd aim for 10-11 activations if possible

2. formation upgrades, while some are very useful (some form of ground based AA attachment like a hydra or hunter) most tend to beef your formations up at the expense of activation count, certainly at 3k, the game tends to favour having a decent number of activations rather than fewer, more expensive ones.... guard formations are already big and potentially cumbersome, adding extra models can often mean that they become less able to react to engagements and defend themselves effectively

with this in mind, I'd drop the hellhounds and demolisher upgrades, add a hydra to each company, then look at some other units, warhounds are excellent in guard armies, they are often able to speed around and neutralise threats with their macro shooting, they also synergise well with guard companies, triggering assaults and pulling in the support fire of an entire guard company can hurt almost anything pretty badly, some scouts would be very useful to screen vulnerable formations against teleporters, you can use sentinels for this, which are essentially a one-shot scout screen, with 6+ armour and being light vehicles, they are among the most vulnerable formations in the game, but they are cheap! also you will almost certainly want to include some artillery to enable you to hit anywhere on the table, and attack stuff trying to hide, manticores are probably the best choice here, although they are often a big fat target for enemy artillery and planes as well as other alpha strikes.... you may want to include some armour, either a tank company, or some superheavies, singleton shadowswords are just great fun, especially with a commissar to make them fearless and give them leader so they rally back from broken with no blast markers :)

I'd probably go with something like

Reg HQ + hydra
Mech inf + hydra
Infantry company + hydra
sentinels
sentinels
manticores
shadowsword
shadowsword
hydras/rough riders
thunderbolts
warhound
warhound

but that's just me, RichardL's all conquering guard list is similar, but takes a tank company in place of the foot infantry and shadowswords

best option is to try some stuff out and see what you like using :)

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 Post subject: Re: Help with a Steel Legion List?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:35 am 
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also, as you're based in yorkshire, depending on whereabouts, there may be some players local to you, there are a couple of guys from the Rotherham area who play most weeks down in mansfield, there are also some other guys who are based up near harrogate. I'm sure any would be more than willing to show you the ropes and share some advice :)

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 Post subject: Re: Help with a Steel Legion List?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 3:28 pm 
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Thanks very much for the advice :)

I did originally have hydra's in the list but they seem to be the devil to find the modern model on ebay. Ah well!

I am aiming for marginally competitive, don't wish to be stomped too often. Either way, expect a plog on here for my painting progress!

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 Post subject: Re: Help with a Steel Legion List?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 9:35 pm 
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Vanguard miniatures stock loads of good imperial guard proxies. Have a look on their website for hydras

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