I don't know if that has already been tried, or if it would even be of interest to anyone, but I'll say it anyway...

Do you remember the worldwide events GW used to run for Warhammer and Warhammer 40k, where they would set out a suitably apocalyptic storyline and the, for a few months, collate all the results for individual games people played all over the world, and use those to decide the outcome of the campaign (I think once was called nemesis crown).

Do you think something like that would be interesting or even feasible, to do using the games played by taccomms epic community. Im not sure of the maths that went on behind those events, or even how the results were submitted as I never took part, but I wondered if it was worth thinking about.

I realise this would be the antithesis of a tournament, where no person wins, rather a faction or even alignment would win, but it may be a way for us all to play together without crossing the Atlantic and letting real life get in the way.

Thoughts?

They worked out percentage win/loss ratios for each army, and the army with the best win/loss won the campaign.

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well, no they weighted it heavily so that the outcome they wanted would be likely to occur, and since they reported the results anyway, they pretty much assured a linear rather than narrative campaign. or atleast, the eye of terror campaign certainly did

i like it, and think it could be done with some success and interest. i shall turn my mind to it

that being said, i think the stories work best with less 'every army participates' storylines. for instance, a waaargh will likely encounter a number of different races (imperials for sure, probably chaos and eldar too) but having "and necrons and tyranids and tau and squats and dark eldar and daleks and mimbari" starts to get troublesome.

most ideal for a storyline perspective for me atleast would be a chaos vs imperials crusade (either black or sabbat style) with eldar and dark eldar raiding forces causing secondary effects in the campaign. but that leaves out a lot of armies out (most notably widespread would be orks but obviously nids necrons and tau too. can probably shoehorn orks in on the side of disorder (helps even out the quantities of armies out there too) but getting all the factions in at once makes it become a bit of a hodgepodge)

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AFAIK druchii.net had multiple campaigns run like this and rewrote much of the history of the warhammer world as a result, I think it's a great idea, but wouldn't want to be in the shoes of the people administering it.....

I would think that a rough storyline should be written up, with a rough tree-like campaign outlined, then the thing plays in stages, so you can request certain matchups (eg. we need as many guard vs ork games as possible this month!) to represent the conquest or defence of a planet or system which is key to the storyline

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I actually run one of these for Warhammer Fantasy on the Bugmans Brewery site. Funnily enough the second campaign in this series is running right now!

I handle all of the mechanics and behind the scenes working out for the Brewery team. It is relatively easy although it does become a lot of work.

We tend to come up with a rough outline (Orks invading an area of the world, defenders made up of Dwarves, Humans trying to flee etc) and work it into the storyline made by the players in previous campaigns. Players then join the different factions (say Orcs, Dwarves and Humans in this case) and each faction has a figurehead assigned to them who is an NPC character they can interact with.

Then we have a campaign map (this current campaign map has over 150 regions) and players play thier normal games against thier normal opponents and then report the results which are then used to work out if factions have captured regions etc. This means that people do not have to be playing Orks if they are in the Ork faction etc. Many players like to roleplay thier character in the factions forums however.

I would be up for helping run something like this for Epic, if other people handled the fluff / background I could do the mechanics.

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I was actually in the studio on the day the last worldwide campaign was concluded - they didn't fudge the figures.

Mind you, they did fudge the *story* to go along with the figures, as that was pretty much pre-written.

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well, they certainly designed the campaign so that certain events were all but assured. for instance, the webway battle sector, where all eldar could post wins but only thousand sons could post wins for chaos. hardly a fair fight

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Hmm, just a thought, it might be possible to consider the 40K multiverse as the facets on a 10 sided die, with each race being located on separate facets, and the imperium and Chaos being the top and bottom halves of the die. Battles would therefore be fought between all races though notionally the object is total control of the 40K multiverse by the imperium or Chaos (or the other major races). As suggested , the campaign 'results' would run statistically from the results posted on the forum.

Also, just a thought, but if you want to consider balancing the campaign, you could consider the old stats on this forum and E-UK championship results to see just how often particular races are used and adjust / balance things accordingly.

Personally I think it sounds like a fascinating idea. Initially I can imagine the results forming the basis of a narrative (ie you write the narrative to fit in with the results published), but after the idea catches on, the narrative might well form the basis of some battles which the forum is invited to complete by particular dates.

this sounds like a great idea - definitely a useful tool for keeping things chugging along in our local scene - interest waxes and wanes with our local annual campaign...

as for a narrative...what about the playing field being a Imperial Segmentum...results show how the balances of power in the segmentum play out...ie do Imperials start to lose control of sectors, is one of the local ork empires on the rise, can that hivefleet be stopped...and have the beloved Squats managed to cling to survival a little longer?!

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This has always been one of those ideas that I would love to get off the ground, but haven't had the time or knowledge to devote to it. I would be very pleased to see it happen, though, and would be happy to support it.

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I think it might be a little harsh on GW to criticise them for fudging the campaign. If you play a large enough number of games with balanced armies, the result of every round will always be a draw. What's the point of that? You need to have something to capture the interest of the participants, even if it's just the illusion of influencing the outcome.

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GW and balanced in the same sentence..... hahaha! nice one kyrt

I'm pretty sure whichever side has the space marines wins.....

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Would people be up for forming some kind of team to look at this and see if we can get it off the ground over the summer?

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i'd be interested

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i would be interested in helping out in some way...

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