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[NetEA] Imperial Navy Section - DRAFT 2010

 Post subject: Re: [NetEA] Imperial Navy Section - DRAFT 2010
PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:19 am 
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I'd say that's way too good.

It's a bit better than a Helltalon fighter-bomber.

And it's stats are correct for its weapons, instead of made-up like the Elysian stats.

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 Post subject: Re: [NetEA] Imperial Navy Section - DRAFT 2010
PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:21 am 
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IIRC there was a big debate init's own thread where the Elysian stats where made. IIRC even TRC took part in it and apporved these stats. But i may be wrong.

Here:
viewtopic.php?f=74&t=14641&start=90
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:35 pm 
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What's the reasoning behind having a lower armour save (5+) on the Marauder Heavy bomber then on the marauder bomber (4+)?


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 Post subject: Re: [NetEA] Imperial Navy Section - DRAFT 2010
PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:51 pm 
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Borka wrote:
What's the reasoning behind having a lower armour save (5+) on the Marauder Heavy bomber then on the marauder bomber (4+)?

The Heavy Bomber is 2DC, which means it takes two unsaved hits to kill it, the regular Marauder Bomber is more fragile as it only takes one hit to kill.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:13 pm 
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Yeah I saw the 2 DC. But I get what you mean, giving it 2 DC and a 4+ would make it to durable compared to what you (as in listdesigners) want it to be.

It just looked strange to me that the heavy one had a lower save, that's why I asked.

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Honda wrote the Elysian stats. Since I have probably played them more than anyone (except maybe Honda himself) I'd say they play fine. Both units are a bit annoying as they have no AP fire, but it's not like it's a mystery when you pick up the list.

I'm not sure if Zombo's problem is with the interceptors, strike fighters, or both. I can't speak to how accurate they are compared to the model WYSIWYG method, however.

I do agree that it would be a good idea to have some continuity across the lists.

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I'd say that's way too good.

It's a bit better than a Helltalon fighter-bomber.

It's too good compared to Nightwings.

Umm, Nightwings have Lance on one of their shots, they're much, much better in the AA role, and also better in the ground attack role.

In addition, Nightwings have a 4+ saving throw, and Lightnings have no save at all.

Basically, Nightwings are hugely better.

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Umm, why is this posted in the 'EA other forces' thread, especially as there is an equivalent post for this topic in the IG thread? (Note it has different stats again!)

When considering the A/c stats you also need to consider the formation size and cost. The Lightning formation at 300pts for 4x A/c provides a formation that has more AA firepower than Eldar Nightwings, but is less resilient and much weaker in AP and AT, so is about right IMHO
The Lightning Strike Fighter has 200pts for 2x A/c that are better than TBolts against armour, but worse against AP and AA and more expensive (so rarer) and again are about right for those armies with more limited AT capabilities.

Finally, as BL says there was an extensive debate in the Elysian list, at the end of which TRC generally agreed with the proposed stats and argued against the 45cm range.

So, I would suggest that improving the stats along the lines suggested by Zombo is unwarranted.


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