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Skitarii vs Emperors Children 3K

 Post subject: Skitarii vs Emperors Children 3K
PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:25 am 
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Me and Norto did our 6th and final battle report to help out the Skitarii list getting approved.

It was my turn taking the skitarii and Norto took a very air assaulty Emperors children list.

Heres our lists:

Incompertus, 3000 POINTS
Gryphonne IV Skitarii Legion (NetEA v2.04 *EXPERIMENTAL*)
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SKITARII DEMI-CENTURY [525]
2 Secutor units, 8 Hypaspist units, Magos Character, Minorus with Support Missile

SAGITARII DEMI-CENTURY [425]
5 Sagitarii units, Minorus with Corvus Assault Pod, 5 Rapier Laser Destroyer Unit

CRUSADER SCOUT MANIPLE [150]
4 Crusader Robots

COLOSSUS ASSAULT MANIPLE [250]
4 Colossus Robots

AVENGER SQUADRON [225]
2 Avenger Strike Fighters

ORBITAL SUPPORT [200]
One Ark Mechanicus Battleship

ORDINATUS MINORUS [350]
2 Ordinatus Minorus, 2 Gatling Blaster

WARHOUND TITAN [275]
Vulcan Megabolter, Plasma Blastgun

AVENGER SQUADRON [225]
2 Avenger Strike Fighters

SKITARII DEMI-CENTURY [375]
2 Secutor units, 8 Hypaspist units, Minorus with Corvus Assault Pod


Emperor's Children (4.1 - Approved)
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RETINUE [325]
6 Chaos Marine units, Daemon Prince (supreme commander)

RETINUE [225]
6 Chaos Marine units, Chaos Lord

RETINUE [255]
6 Chaos Marine units, Chaos Lord, 6 Dreadclaws

EMPEROR'S CHILDREN TERMINATORS [300]
Chaos Lord, 4 Terminator, Daemonic Pact

RAPTOR CULT [175]
Chaos Lord, 4 Raptor

RAPTOR CULT [175]
Chaos Lord, 4 Raptor

CHOSEN [125]
4 Chaos Space Marine Chosen

CHOSEN [125]
4 Chaos Space Marine Chosen

RAPTOR CULT [315]
Chaos Lord, 8 Raptor

DAEMON POOL [30]
2 Lesser Daemon

CHAOS THUNDERHAWK [200]

CHAOS THUNDERHAWK [200]

CHAOS THUNDERHAWK [200]

HELLBLADE SQUADRON [200]
3 Hellblade Interceptors

DEVASTATION CLASS CRUISER [150]

I garrsoned my Crusaders to protect my deployment zone from drops pods and air assaults. I laso garrisoned my Collosus out to threathen the AA bubble wider. Everything except my warhound castled up inside the scout bubble (don't know why i thought it was a good idea to keep the warhound out of it).
Norto had most forces off board.


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 Post subject: Re: Skitarii vs Emperors Children 3K
PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:45 am 
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Terminators teleport in nest to Warhound in forest with no BM:s.
TURN 1: Skitarii wins initiative.

S1.1: Minoris Co. sustains on terminators killing 1 (2BM).
S1.2: Warhound retains and sustains on terminators breaking them.
EC1.1: Spaceship activates and strip 2 shields off Sagitarri Minoris (1BM). Dreadclaw lands in front of warhound in forest.
EC1.2: Dreadclaw retinue retains and engages warhound. Crusaders OW-fire gives retinue 1BM. Warhounds win combat (Norto roolled snake eyes) killing 2 stands for the loss of 1DC.
S1.3: Avengers ground attacks broken terminators killing 1 due to BM:s.
EC1.3: Thunderhawk ground attacks Hypatists by S-blitz for 1BM.
S1.4: Avengers ground attacks broken dreadclaw retinue wiping it out.
EC1.4: Thunderhawk ground attacks hypatists bt S-blitz killing Magos and 1 hypatist stand (3BM).
S1.5: Collosus robots doubles back towards S-blitz to but their AA-bubble on thunderhawks.
EC1.5: Thunderhawk ground attacks Crusaders. Collosus AA does 1DC to it. Thunderhawk manages to do 1BM to Crusaders.
S1.6: Hypatists by S-Blitz holds and clear their BM:s.
EC1.6: Retinue goes on OW.
S1.7: Sagitarii holds and clears their BM:s.
EC1.7: Retinue goes on OW.
S1.8: Hypatists in assault pod doubles forward and fires on broken terminators killing 1 stand due to BM:s.
EC1.8: Hellblades intercept avengers and wipes them out while taking 1 BM from ground AA.

END PHASE:
Terminators rallies.


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 Post subject: Re: Skitarii vs Emperors Children 3K
PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:46 am 
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TURN 2: Emperors Children win initiative.

EC2.1: Terminators summon 2 demonic beasts and engage hypatists. 3 stands of AdMech die for no chaos losses. The terminators loose the combat and are wiped out in resolution.
S2.1: Hypatists near S-Blitz sustains on garrisoned retinue with their supoort missile killing 5 out of 6 stands and breaks the formation (Ka-booom!)
EC2.2: Thunderhawk with chosen fails to activate.
S2.2: Avengers goes on CAP.
EC2.3: Thunderhawk with raptors lands in EC deployment and raptors pours out taking in the sights.
S2.3: Minoris Co doubles forward.
EC2.4: Thunderhawk ground attacks crusaders. It recieves 1 BM from CAPing Avengers and then does 1BM in return to Crusaders.
S2.4: Spaceship activates and oblitirates landed thunderhawk (ka-boooom!)
EC2.5: Hellbaldes intercept avengers but only does 1 BM to them (avengers made 4 jink saves!)
S2.5: Hypatists doubles forward and fires on lone stand from broken retinue wiping it out.
EC2.6: Retinue by EC-Blitz goes on OW.
S2.6: Collosus doubles forward.
S2.7: Sagitarii holds and moves forward (1BM).
S2.8: Crusaders Holds and clears BM:s.
S2.9: Warhound marches forward next to hypatists.

END PHASE:

All good in the hood.


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 Post subject: Re: Skitarii vs Emperors Children 3K
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TURN 3: Emperors Children wins initiative.

EC3.1: Hellblades ground attacks hypatists on right flank. ! aircraft gets shot down by Minoris AA (2BM) and the Hellblades kill 1 stand in return (2BM).
S3.1: Avengers fail to activate.
EC3.2: Thunderhawk with chosen and raptors air assaults the hypatists on the right flank. The formation is wiped out for the loss of of 1 raptor (1BM).
EC3.3: Thunderhawk ful of raptors retains and air assaults warhound wiping it out for the loss of 1 raptor (1BM).
S3.2: Collosus holds and moves (1BM).
EC3.4: Retinue by blitz advances forward.
S3.3: Minoris Co advances forward and fires on chosen killing 2 stands and breaking the formation.
EC3.5: Raptors marches to forest on right flank.
S3.4: Sagitarii doubles forward and fires on chosen killing 1 stand (2BM).
S3.5: Crusaders doubles and fires on same chosen breaking the formation.
S3.6: Hypatists by S-blitz doubles to contest both the blitz and EC T&H objective.

END PHASE:

Chosen fails to rally.
Chosen raliies.
Raptors rallies.


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 Post subject: Re: Skitarii vs Emperors Children 3K
PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:48 am 
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TURN 4: Skitarii wins initiative.

S4.1: Sagitariis doubles and fires on raptors for 1BM.
S4.2: Crusaders try to retain but holds and moves (1BM).
EC4.1: Thunderhawk fails to activate.
S4.3: Avengers ground attacks raptors wiping them out.
EC4.2: Chosen doubles to conest T&H objective and fires on Minoris Co for 1BM.
S4.4: Hypatists near S-Blitz goes on OW.
EC4.3: Hellblades intercepts avengers for 1BM.
S4.5: Collosus robots go on OW.
EC4.4: Retinue near EC-blitz goes on OW.
S4.6: Minoris Co holds and fires on chosen killing 1 stand and breaking the formation.
EC4.5: raptors by EC Blitz marches to contest T&H objective for the Skitarii.
EC4.6: Raptors in forest on right flank goes on OW.

END PHASE:
Chosen fails to rally.
Chosen rallies.

Noone has any objectives.

Skitarii win a major draw with 1550 - 875.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:24 pm 
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My thoughts:

Woohoo, finally a Skitarii win!! It did come down to Norto having some abyssmal die rolls through out the game though (I was laughing and he was cursing over Skype!).
If the dreadclaw retinue would have won the engagement in turn 1 (where Norto rolled snake eyes for assault resolution) i think the Emperors children could have done an air assault extravaganza on the skitarii and steamrolled them in 2 turns. But praise the Omnissiah taht didn't happen.

This was our 6th battle report with the skitarii and the end result was 1 win and 5 losses with the list. I'll let the community dtraw their own conclusions from our reports.

Now back to trying out some NDC suggested changes!

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Thanks for the reports! Any thoughts on the performance of the individual skitarii formations?

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The Sagitarii are a great unit for both shooting and engagements, especially when upgraded with rapiers.
Secutors are one of the best characters with leader in the game and a unit should only be allowed to have two at the most.
Crusaders are better Sentinels and have a clear role in the list since they have scout. I would always bring at least 1 unit, maybe even two.
Not to sure about Collosus robots. Most of the time they're on OW creating a AA-bubble. Don't really know what to use them for.
Avengers are very high priced aircarft with an exssesive amount of firepower, i would rather see them downgunned and downpriced.
Chimedons are a way to expensive to use which is a pity since they give the Skitarii much needed speed. Don't see why every unit have to be unique in this list.
Minoris are really cool with all of their weapon choices. But maybe a tad to expensive?

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Thanks!
Sagitarii: I agree with Sagitarii. They work really well with Rapiers and I prefer to attach a corvus minorus.

Secutors: I think you might have confused Commander with Leader on them. I've toyed with giving them leader but didn't yet due to the potential unbreakable formations they could create.

Colossus: I tend to use them as support formations for sagitarii or hypaspists. Sometimes to protect Crusaders moving up. They can put out a lot of good ranged firepower and provide the AA bubble for things without a minorus plus they tend to be tough to shift and the FF helps deter assaults on the infantry.

Avengers: Avengers are what they are, but they may be a tad too expensive. Do you think you get enough value for the points?

Chimedons individually aren't that expensive. The cost is that you only get to transport one stand per chimedon meaning you have to take 10 of them. That doubles the size of the formation and massively boosts firepower. Thus the added cost.

Minrous: I agree the cost might be a tad high. thinking perhaps 250-75 for them and dropping the cost of the majoris a bit too.

Any thoughts on the demi-century outside of the Secutors?

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Some terrible luck on vassal this game. 1 thing I've noticed in games is the difference of of air assault not caring about scout screens over here (I think it should be played that they screen it). Maybe sectutors could gain leader like bonded team while 1+ is alive?

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That's an option I hadn't thought of. Could work nicely.

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