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NetEA Skitarii vs Biel-Tan

 Post subject: NetEA Skitarii vs Biel-Tan
PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:38 am 
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Gryphonne IV Skitarii Legion (NetEA v2.04 *EXPERIMENTAL*)
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SKITARII DEMI-CENTURY [350]
2 Secutor units, 8 Hypaspist units, Magos Character

SAGITARII DEMI-CENTURY [475]
5 Sagitarii units, 5 Rapier Laser Destroyer Unit, Minorus with Corvus Assault Pod, Hydra

SAGITARII DEMI-CENTURY [425]
5 Sagitarii units, 5 Rapier Laser Destroyer Unit, Minorus with Corvus Assault Pod

SAGITARII DEMI-CENTURY [300]
5 Sagitarii units, 5 Rapier Laser Destroyer Unit

CRUSADER SCOUT MANIPLE [150]
4 Crusader Robots

CRUSADER SCOUT MANIPLE [150]
4 Crusader Robots

COLOSSUS ASSAULT MANIPLE [250]
4 Colossus Robots

WARHOUND TITAN [300]
Plasma Blastgun, Turbo-laser Destructor

WARHOUND TITAN [300]
Plasma Blastgun, Turbo-laser Destructor

WARHOUND TITAN [300]
Plasma Blastgun, Turbo-laser Destructor

Incompertus, 3000 POINTS
Biel-Tan Craftworld (Biel-Tan Craftworld (v4.2))
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WRAITHGATE [50]

AVATAR [0]

ASPECT WARRIOR WARHOST [350]
2 Exarch, 8 Warp Spider

ASPECT WARRIOR WARHOST [350]
2 Exarch, 8 Warp Spider

ASPECT WARRIOR WARHOST [400]
Exarch, Autarch, 8 Shining Spear

VOID SPINNER [275]
Void Spinner

VOID SPINNER [275]
Void Spinner

SWORDS OF VAUL TROUPE [250]
3 Falcon, 2 Fire Storm

SWORDS OF VAUL TROUPE [250]
3 Falcon, 2 Fire Storm

VAMPIRE RAIDER [200]

VAMPIRE RAIDER [200]

WRAITHSHIP [150]

GUARDIAN WARHOST [150]
Farseer, 7 Guardians

RANGER TROUPE [100]
4 Ranger

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 Post subject: Re: NetEA Skitarii vs Biel-Tan
PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:39 am 
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Turn 1
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Eldar win strat roll and give it to Skitarii
Skitarii - Warhound doubles and shoots void for a blast
Eldar - Void spinner sustains on sagutarii in forrest
Skitarii - March Corvus Sagitarii (BTS) onto gate
Eldar - Rangers double
Skitarii - Fail to activate corvus Sagitarii with SC and single take blast
Eldar - Sustain void spinner on Sagitarii for 2 blasts
Skitarii - March Crusader robots
Eldar - Double Falcons and shoot Corvus Sagitarii (BTS)
Skitarii - Sagitarii Marshal and remove all but 1 blasts
Eldar - Double Falcons and shoot warhound stripping the shilds and 1 DC breaking it
Skitarii - Double Warhound and fire on Falcons killing 2 firestorms and breaking them
Eldar - Spaceship activates and pin points warhound no shields and misses
Skitarii - March warhound behind forrest
Eldar - March guardians using SC roll
Skitarii - Fail to activate crusaders
Eldar - Air assault Corvus Sagitarii (BTS) Wiping it out losing 1 Warp spider
Skitarii - Fail to activate Magos Hypaspists and clear blast
Eldar - Engaged Sagitarii with shinning spears wiping them out

Falcons Rally

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 Post subject: Re: NetEA Skitarii vs Biel-Tan
PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:40 am 
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Turn 2
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Eldar - Sustain with Void Spinner on Magos Hypaspists for 4 blasts
Eldar - Retain and engage Magos Hypaspists with war spiders
Eldar - Retain and engage Corvus Sagitarii breaking it (wiping out 5 Rapier)
Skitarii - Single warhound killing 2 Falcon breaking them
Skitarii - Retain Double warhound killing 1 Falcon for a blast
Eldar - Double Rangers and shoot warhound
Skitarii - Double Crusaders and shoot shinning spears for a blast
Eldar - Sustain Void Spinner shooting collossus for a blast
Skitarii - March crusaders
Eldar - Empty Vampire Raider engages Crusader Robots wiping them out
Skitarii - Fail to activate collossus clearing blasts

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 Post subject: Re: NetEA Skitarii vs Biel-Tan
PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:41 am 
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Turn 3
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Eldar - Warp sipders engage warhound on blitz wiping it out
Eldar - Retain double guardians and shoot warhound centre for a blast with the help of the SC
Eldar - Retain and fail to activate Avatar so take blast and shoot warhound breaking it
Skitarii - Crusaders fail to activate so move on blitz
Eldar - Engage crusdaers with warp spiders wiping them out
Skitarii - Colossus march on blitz
Eldar - Double Falcons on to DTF
Eldar - March Spears on to DTF and TNH
Eldar - March Void Spinner on TNH
Eldar - Sustain on Colossus breaking them

Warhound rallied to stop TSNP
Game End Eldar 4 (BTS, TNH, BLITZ, DTF)

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 Post subject: Re: NetEA Skitarii vs Biel-Tan
PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:13 pm 
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Ouch! Yeah, this was a a one sided game where the eldar wreck havoc on the Skitariis without mercy. The Skitariis track record aint that great right now...

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 Post subject: Re: NetEA Skitarii vs Biel-Tan
PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:30 pm 
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Thanks for the report! This is fairly consistent with other games skitarii have played against eldar. Do you feel you could have done differently?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:50 pm 
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I think maybe played very cagey and put most things on OW on the first turn could have helped a bit. But they're outmanouvered and out activated so it's hard to deal with the Eldar.

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 Post subject: Re: NetEA Skitarii vs Biel-Tan
PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:50 pm 
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Activation shouldn't have been a huge issue this game at least initially. Skitarii had 10 activations vs 12 for Eldar if you don't count activations in transports. What I think did you in on activations was the loss of two Sagitarii turn 1 followed by that triple retain turn 2 that seems to have broken most of your available formations. Not sure that would have played out much differently with any other army TBH.

That said, we might consider a slight point drop for the Demi-century and the Ordinatus formations to help offset the cost of using some of the better titan weapons and make the demi-century more attractive.

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 Post subject: Re: NetEA Skitarii vs Biel-Tan
PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:41 pm 
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I was playing the Eldar.

Ok, i think changing avengers for thunderbolts and changing chimedons for chimeras would help the most. But small points drop on both thoose formation might help also.

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 Post subject: Re: NetEA Skitarii vs Biel-Tan
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Hey. I'm not sure if I played it good or bad. I tried to keep my weak activations alive. And split my my forces a little to stop the rolling assaults and go after the falcons and void spinners with the warhounds. Failing to activate the corvus sagitarii with the sc also failing to much up and support the matches corvus hurt. Lost AA and its FF support for it.

I feel like it's pretty similar to guard. Just better stats and trading all the good things (leader, single super heavies, fearless commissars, thunderbolts)

I know it doesn't have to be guard. And it's also going to be hard to stop any loop holes in the list with so many options. Honestly I thunk trading the avengers for Tbolts would go a long way too. Or just change the stats on the avenger to be similar to Tbolts for 150 points and 0-2, then leave them in the support section so skitarii can have its titans.

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we're trying to steer as far from "guard in red hats" as possible with the Skitarii lists so adding Chimeras and Tbolts isn't going to happen since that pushes them even closer. The area I think we can make more useful thematic change is helping Skitarii ground forces function without access to Tbolts and giving them a bit more flexibility to invest in better weapons.

Maybe:
Demi-century goes to 225
Secutors replace commander with Leader
Minorus coy goes to 250/275
Majoris goes to 325

Secutor change would have to be limited somehow. Or you'd have the Secutor upgrade making the formation nigh unbreakable.

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 Post subject: Re: NetEA Skitarii vs Biel-Tan
PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:35 pm 
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mordoten

I've read a bit of late of your displeasure of the mech skitarii. I'd just like to know if you're aware the unit upgrade of a minoris with a corvus it becomes speed 25cm?

I'm a bit sold on them and run three formations. I've never really missed the drop in 5cm speed and they result in AA everywhere (at least to put a +1 on activation for coming under fire). They may not shoot well mounted, but they're very maneuverable. They're a great platform to get your skitarri where they're needed. Well supported, they're invaluable.

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 Post subject: Re: NetEA Skitarii vs Biel-Tan
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Yeah Mordoten knew about it. I learnt it after our first game. But im with mordoten. We've had 5 games now swapping who runs skitarii and end up with the same result. Vaaish has a vision for the list and that's fine. 1 more report from us and that's the 6.

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Hi, at the risk of sounding stupid...
How does the ordinatus upgrade do that?


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 Post subject: Re: NetEA Skitarii vs Biel-Tan
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DaCone2 wrote:
Hi, at the risk of sounding stupid...
How does the ordinatus upgrade do that?


It says so in the rules for the list.

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