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Cadian Shock Troopers (v1.5) vs Vior’la Tau (v1.8a)

 Post subject: Cadian Shock Troopers (v1.5) vs Vior’la Tau (v1.8a)
PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 7:58 pm 
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Cadian Shock Troopers (v1.5) vs Vior’la Tau (v1.8a)

Battle of the Big Ones:
Warlord Titan “the Emperor’s Judegement” vs Manta “the Greatest Good”

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Cadian vs Tau

Paradox, 3000 POINTS
Cadian Shock Troopers (NetEA v1.5 *DEVELOPMENT*)
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CADIAN REGIMENTAL HEADQUARTERS [625]
1 Imperial Guard Supreme Commander unit, 7 Kasrkin units and 1 Leviathan Mobile Command Centre, Sanctioned Psykers (1 Sanctioned Psyker unit), Sabre Platforms (3 Sabre Platforms), Commissar

KASRKIN INFANTRY COMPANY [175]
1 Imperial Guard Commander unit and 7 Kasrkin units

KASRKIN INFANTRY COMPANY [175]
1 Imperial Guard Commander unit and 7 Kasrkin units

FLAK BATTERY [150]
3 hydras

HELLHOUND PLATOON [250]
6 Hellhounds

SENTINEL SQUADRON [125]
6 Cadian Sentinels

SENTINEL SQUADRON [125]
6 Cadian Sentinels

SUPER HEAVY TANK PLATOON [200]
Commissar, Shadowsword

SUPER HEAVY TANK PLATOON [200]
Commissar, Shadowsword

WARLORD CLASS TITAN [825]

THUNDERBOLT FIGHTERS [150]
2 Thunderbolts


Incompertus, 3100 POINTS
Tau Vior'la (1.8a Developmental)
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FIRE WARRIOR CADRE [325]
6 Fire Warrior Units, 3 Devilfishes, Shas'o Commander

FIRE WARRIOR CADRE [250]
8 Fire Warrior units, Cadre Fireblade

TIGER SHARK AX-1-0 [175]
1 Tiger Shark AX-1-0

ORCA DROPSHIP [150]

MANTA DROPSHIP [625]

STEALTH GROUP [225]
6 XV15 Stealth Units

SKYSWEEP SUPPORT GROUP [250]
3 Skyray Air Defense Gunships

RECON GROUP [150]
3 Pathfinder Tetra, 2 Piranha

RECON GROUP [150]
3 Pathfinder Tetra, 2 Piranha

XV104 RIPTIDE FORMATION [350]
Shas'el Commander, 3 XV104 Riptides

KX139 TA'UNAR SUPREMACY [225]
1 KX139 Ta'unar Supremacy unit

KX139 TA'UNAR SUPREMACY [225]
1 KX139 Ta'unar Supremacy unit

Rules:
LOS from model or base (which ever was bigger)
Area Terrain (to benefit from terrain had to be touching terrain and if in/touching terrain considered dangerous, make a dangerous terrain test)
Note: area terrain with roads going through it allowed units to avoid dangerous terrain if they stayed on road and still benefit from terrain cover/save modifiers.

Setup – table side to table side

Objectives:
Tau – Blitz in center of table edge behind ruin, two other objectives on centerline ~30cm from each side table edge.
Cadian – Blitz on right side of deployment behind woods ~30cm from table edge, two other objectives on centerline on each table edge.

Garrison:
Tau: Recon #1 in Buildings closest to Cadian Blitz, Recon #2 off Tau Blitz
Cadian: Kasrkin #2 off far left objective in behind woods

Teleport:
Tau – Teleport Stealth suites (1 blast) to woods in center of table

Reserve:
Tau - Orca with Firewarriors on board, Tiger Shark
Cadian - Thunderbolts


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 Post subject: Re: Cadian Shock Troopers (v1.5) vs Vior’la Tau (v1.8a)
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Turn 1 – IG win Initiative
IG – Shadowsword #1 doubles and shoots Manta (2 wounds, 3 blast)
Tau – Supremacy #1 sustains and shoots Hydra (1 blast) and clips Kasrkin #1 (1 kill, 2 blast)
Tau – Retain – Fire Warrior w commander hold (move and rally) to get out of LOS of Leviathan
IG – Kasrkin #2 hold (move and rally), wanted to move up and put a blast on Supremancy
Tau – Recon #1 double and shoot markerlit hydra (1 blast, total of 2 so far) putting hydras in there ZOC
Tau – Manta move and shoot markerlit Shadow Sword #2 destroying it
IG – Hyrda marshal and shoot Recon #1 (1 blast), here is a mistake we caught in turn 2 we realized that the hydras were in the ZOC of the Recon and therefore had to do a marshal and move.
Tau – Stealth Battlesuits march to ruins lighting several units up with markerlight
IG - Warlord Titan double moves (to within 11 cm of Stealth Battlesuits) and shoots Manta (4 DC damage and ciritical on shield, breaking Manta (which withdraws straight back to home table edge)
Tau – Recon #2 doubles and shoots (using Supreme Commander reroll) markerlit Warlord Titan (1 blast)
Tau – Retain with Supremancy #2 sustain on hellhound (1 blast) (1 kill, 2 blast)
IG – Sentinels #1 engage (use Supreme Commander Reroll) Stealth Battlesuits (with supporting fire from Warlord Titan and Shadowsword #1 wipe out Stealth suits with hackdown), (Sentinels take 1 kill, 1 blast)
Tau – Skyray sustain on markerlit Warlord Titan (2 shield, 1 blast, total 2 blast)
IG – Hellhound double and shoot Recon #2 (1 kill, 2 blast)
Tau – Riptides double and shoot markerlit Shadowsword #1 (kill with critical) and jet pack out of LOS into Buildings
IG – Leviathan double and shoot Supremacy #1 (1 DC damange, 2 blast)
Tau – Tiger Shark hold (was going to strafe Warlord titan)
IG - Kasrkin #1 hold and rally (was going to engage Recon #1)
Tau – Orca ground attack Hyrda (1 blast , total 2 blast)
IG – Sentinels #2 march move up to center behind woods
IG – Thunderbolts ground attack Recon #2 (kill 2, break Recon #2 which withdraws to Tau Blitz)
All units Rally except Tau Supremacy #1


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Turn #2 – Tau win Initiative
Tau – Riptide move and shoot (putting themselves within 15cm of Warlord titan) markerlit Warlord titan (shoot 5 void shield and 1 blast, total of 2 blast)
Tau – Retain with Orca stand down with supreme commander reroll
IG – Warlord titan marshal (removes 1 blast (total of 1 blast left) and regenerates 4 void shields (total of 4 shields left)) and shoots Riptides (2 DC damage and 3 blast markers)
IG – Retain with Vasrkin #1 engage (with supporting fire from Hydra) Recon #1 (eliminate Recon #1 and 1 dead Vasrkin, 1 blast)
Tau – Supremacy #1 marshal and move (into woods) remove all blast
IG – Sentinels engage (with support from Warlord Titan) Riptides (win and break Riptides, Riptides left with 1 unit with 1 DC which withdraws out of LOS into Building area terrain)
Tau – Supremacy #2 sustain on Warlord Titan (take down 3 shields, 1 shield left, 1 blast, total of 2 blast)
Tau – Retain with Tiger Shark and ground attack Warlord Titan (no hits, 1 blast, total of 3 blasts)
IG – Sentinels #2 double towards Tau blitz and shoot Supremacy #1 (1 blast)
Tau – Recon #2 double and shoots markerlit Warlord Titan (1 shield, 0 shields left, 1 blast, total of 3 blast)
Tau – Retain with Skyray hold and shoot markerlit Warlord Titan (1 blast, total of 4 blasts)
IG – Hydra move and shoot Recon #2 (eliminate formation)
Tau – Firewarriors with commander double and shoot markerlit Sentinels #2 (kill 2, 3 blasts)
IG – Thunderbolds ground attack Riptide (eliminate formation)
Tau – Manta move and shoot Warlord Titan (2 DC damage (6 DC remaining),and breaks Warlord Titan which withdraws to woods close to blitz)
IG – Kasrkin #2 move and shoot Firewarriors with commander (1 infantry kill, 2 blast)
IG – Leviathan double and shoot Firewarriors with commander (2 infantry kills, 3 blast, 5 blast total)
All formations rally except Firewarriors with commander (5 blast) Note that Warlord Titan used the Supreme Commander Reroll for his rally roll.


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Turn 3 – Tau win initiative
Tau - Manta moves and shoots on Warlord Titan ( 1 shield (0 shield left), 1 blast marker, total of 5 blast markers)
Tau – Retain with Tiger Shark and ground attack Warlord Titan (1 DC damage, 5 DC left, 2 blast, total of 7 blast markers)
IG – Warlord titan sustains on Manta (eliminates Manta)


Game was called a Cadian win at this point due to most likely (due to lack of markerlights and ability to threaten objectives) outcome of:

Cadian – BTS and Take and Hold or Defend the Flag

Tau – with Orca ground assault with Firewarriors could possibly postpone till turn 4 by denying one or both of Take and hold or Defend the Flag and They Shall Not Pass


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Challenging and close game as always against Atension. Game could have had a very different outcome if Atension had been able to improve his die roll by +1 on multiple occasions.

The game swung on the epic battle between the Manta “The Greatest Good” and Warlord Titan “The Emperors Judgement” with the Tau just needing 1 more blast marker on the Warlord to tip the game significantly in the Tau’s favor (ie breaking the Titan in turn 3 before it had a chance to act thereby preserving the Manta and therefore putting that whole Cadian right flank and war effort in jeopardy (ie BTS, Blitz, Defend the Flag and Take and Hold as well as They Shall not Pass would no longer be attainable by the Cadians)

Being a long time IG Steel Legion player I feel that the Cadian list seemed balanced. All the formations seemed to pass the sniff test. I did not get a chance to really stress test how the individual formations performed in this game (sentinels, hellhounds and Leviathan). Also my usual style of play involved more formation and this is only the second time I have used a warlord titan in 4 years. I based the list off of Beefcake4000 Cadian list.

Having played about ~9 games against Tau (Dobbsy) many moons ago using Imperial Guard I can say that the play style of the Vior’la Tau bring several significant changes to the Tau play style that they did not have before. In this game they were:
- Barrage templates (this is a big one) (Supremacy)
- Significant indirect accurate fire (3+) that reached from deployment zone to deployment zone (Supremacy)
- Cheaper Recon formations with markerlights
- LOTS of toys (I was surprised at all the exotic units that are typically restricted to the 1/3 of points allies/air force section), in this battle there was a Manta, Orca, Tiger Shark, Riptides and 2 Supremacy formations
- Orca did not make an appearance but would have been decisive especially in conjunction with Supremacy prep for assault.

More comments on the respective army lists in the Cadian and Vior’La Tau forums.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:16 am 
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Was an interesting (though at times frustrating) game but certainly fun regardless. I made a list mistake (as I somehow forgot to bring all my rules and list) intending to try out the stormsurges and an extra recon formation in place of the Riptides, got it a little mixed up when trying to recreate from memory (Hence the 100 extra points).
I made the plan to test the Tau metal at taking out a warlord at the beginning of the match to see the potency of the Manta and the AX-1-0. The AX standing down then missing with the TK weapon the second turn was brutal bad luck. It clearly would have been smarter strategy to avoid the warlord as much as possible and focus on reducing Paradox's popcorn formations. This wouldn't have been too hard with the Supremacy suits superior range and Barrage. Then I could have just zipped in some Recons or dropped some fire warriors to contest any points it might be gaining him.

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You wrote "Hold (move and rally)" a couple of times. You can either shed the BM, move or shoot ehen you hold. Don't know if you played it like that.

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Thanks for the report guys an interesting game.

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Thanks for the report guys. much appreciated

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[quoteYou wrote "Hold (move and rally)" a couple of times. You can either shed the BM, move or shoot ehen you hold. Don't know if you played it like that.][/quote]

My mistake. I believe those should have been described as Marshal Actions (move then regroup) in the write up.


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 Post subject: Re: Cadian Shock Troopers (v1.5) vs Vior’la Tau (v1.8a)
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Paradox wrote:
- LOTS of toys (I was surprised at all the exotic units that are typically restricted to the 1/3 of points allies/air force section), in this battle there was a Manta, Orca, Tiger Shark, Riptides and 2 Supremacy formations.

But the Manta, Orca and Tiger Shark AX-1-0 are all in the 1/3 restricted section.
And lots of other armies have DC2 and DC3 class WEs not in that section: Shadowswords and other SHTs, Engines of Vaul, Super Stompas and Gunfortresses, etc

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I made the plan to test the Tau metal at taking out a warlord at the beginning of the match to see the potency of the Manta and the AX-1-0. The AX standing down then missing with the TK weapon the second turn was brutal bad luck.

Having had this occur rather frequently I investigate the probabilities in more depth and concluded that it was not all that uncommon an event. Not exactly in the form that you experienced but in some form. Often, due to BMs from flak and then failing the activation test, or being shot down (only takes one hit through the armour), or needing to shoot into cover.


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Thank you for the report, Paradox.

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Very interesting indeed. I'll go back to using Cadia soon ;D

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