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Space Wolves vs AMTL.

 Post subject: Space Wolves vs AMTL.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:46 pm 
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Ok, had another game with the puppies. This time aginst te AMTL again because i`m interested in also tryig that list out alot to see if theres any truth to it´s ûberpowerness.

Here my list:


Incompertus, 3000 POINTS
Space Wolves (NetEA Army Compendium v20120208)
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GREAT COMPANY [450]
6 Grey Hunters, Rhinos, Hunter, Wolf Lord, Razorbacks

GREAT COMPANY [375]
6 Grey Hunters, Battle Leader, Hunter, Rhinos

WOLF GUARD TERMINATORS [375]
4 Wolf Guard Terminators, Wolf Priest, Drop Pods

WOLF GUARD TERMINATORS [375]
4 Wolf Guard Terminators, Wolf Priest, Drop Pods

STRIKE CRUISER [200]
Space Wolves Strike Cruiser

LAND SPEEDERS [200]
5 Land Speeder

LAND SPEEDERS [200]
5 Land Speeder

PREDATORS [325]
2 Predator Annihilator, 2 Predator Destructor, Hunter

PREDATORS [325]
2 Predator Annihilator, 2 Predator Destructor, Hunter

THUNDERBOLT SQUADRON [175]
2 Thunderbolt Fighter-Bombers

His list:

Incompertus, 3000 POINTS
Legio Gryphonicus (NetEA v3.23 *UNDER DEVELOPMENT*)
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REAVER TITAN [725]
Legate, Carapace Multi-Lasers, Laser Burner, 2 Gatling Blaster

REAVER TITAN [775]
Carapace Multi-Lasers, Carapace Landing Pad, 2 Quake Cannon

REAVER TITAN [700]
Veteran Princeps, Carapace Multi-Lasers, Laser Burner, 2 Gatling Blaster

WARHOUND TITAN [275]
Vulcan Megabolter, Plasma Blastgun

WARHOUND TITAN [275]
Vulcan Megabolter, Plasma Blastgun

RECON COHORT [100]
4 Sentinels

THUNDERBOLT SQUADRON [150]
2 Thunderbolts

For setup i choose corner deployment and garrisoned the 2 formations of land speeders closer to the objectives.
He set up strong with 2 reavers and 1 warhound on the far edge of his deployment zone on the long side of the table. The rest of his force where set up close to the blitz objective so it was hard to guess what goals he was going for beforehand...


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:55 pm 
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TURN 1: Space Wolves wein initiative.

SW: land speeders doubles to BTS-Reaver t oZoC it and the warhound close to it. Fires on Warhound for 1BM.
T: thunderbolts ground attacks landspeeders by titan blitz and destroys 1 (2BM).
SW: BTS-Grey hunters doubles forward behind a hill.
T: warhound near titan blitz sustain on land speeders killing 3 and breaking them.
SW: land speeders doubles forward and ZoC both reaver and warhound in the middle. they fire on warhound stripping 1 shield (1BM).
T: sentinels doubles into city.
SW: thunderbolts intercept thunderbolts and shot them both down.
T: warhound sustain on land speeders killing 3 and breaks them.
SW: predators doubles forward.
T: reaver doubles into the city.
SW Predators doubles behind large hill.
T: reaver doubles forward towards broken land speeders.
T: BTS-rteaver retains , advances forward, and fires indirect unto grey hunters killing 2 stands and 1 rhino (5BM).
SW: grey hunters Marshalls, clearing all 5 BM:s, and moves forward.

END PHASE:

land speeders behind hill rallies
land speeders in city fails to rally.


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 Post subject: Re: Space Wolves vs AMTL.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:06 pm 
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TURN 2: Space Wolves win initiative.

SW: Predators doubles around hill and fires on reaver stripping all shields (1BM).
SW: 2nd Predators retain, doubles, and fires on reaver (catching it in a crossfire to 1st predators) doing 1 DC (3BM).
T: reaver arshalls, shedding 2BM:s and 1 shield, and moves coser to predators.
T: warhound retains and engages predators. with the support fire from the reaver the tanks ar e wiped out for the loss of 1 shield.
SW: grey hunters doubles into building in city.
T: Reaver doubles forward and fire on predators killing 2 (3BM).
SW: land speeders marshalls, shedding their 2 BM:s an moves closer to ZoC reaver.
T: sentinels advances thru city and fires on grey hunters for 1BM.
SW: bts-grey hunters goes on OW by SW blitz.
T: warhound doubles thru city and fires on grey hunters killing 3 stands (4BM).
SW: thunderbolts stand down.
T: BTS-raver susatins on grey hunters killing 1 stand and 2 rhinos braking them.
SW: strike cruiser activates but fails to hit anything.
SW: terminators doubles and fires on BTS-reaver stripping 2 shields (1BM).
SW: terminators engages BTS-reaver. they do 3DC and wins the combat for the loss of 1 stand (1BM).

END PHASE:

land speeders rallies
grey hunters rallies
BTS-reaver rallies.


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 Post subject: Re: Space Wolves vs AMTL.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:13 pm 
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TURN 3: titans win initiative.

T: BTS-Reaver sustainson terminators killing 2 stands and breaking the formation.
T: warhound retains, advances, and fires on 2nd terminators killing 2 stands and reaks them.
SW: grey hunters marshalls, clearing 2BM:s, and advances into city to claim 1 of the T&H objectives.
T: Reaver engages predators wiping them out for the loss of 1 shield.
T: warhound retains, advances, and fires on land speeders wiping them out.
SW: thunderbolts ground attacks sentinels for 1BM.
T: reaver doubles into city and fires on grey hunters wiping them out.
SW: land speeders doubles to T&H objecitve inside city and fires on sentinels for 1BM.
T: sentinels engages land speeders. they wipe the land speeders out for the loss of 1 sentinel and are broken.
SW BTS-grey hunters doubles and fires on reaver for 1BM.

END PHASE:

terminators rallies.
terminators by titan bitz fail to rally
sntinels rallies with the help of the SC.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:17 pm 
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TURN 4: Space Wolves wins initiative.
SW: BTS-grey hunters engages reaver. they win the combat doing 2DC for the loss of 3 stands (3BM).
T: sentinels advances and fires on BTS-grey hunters killing1 stand (2BM).
SW: thunderbolts ground atatck sentinels killing 1 and breaking them.
T: reaver doubles across the board and fires o nbts-grey hunters killing 1 stand (2BM).
SW: terminators in forest marches into building in city.
T: warhound engages broken terminators by titan blitz wiping them out for the loss of 1 shield.
T: warhound doubles thru city and fires on terminators for 1BM.
T: BTS Reaver sustains on terminators in building wiping them out.

END PHASE:

sentinels rallies
reaver rallies.

AMTL wins 2 - 0 (DtF and TSNP)


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:20 pm 
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My thoughts:

Well, i just can't seem to get the hang of how to use drop pods in a good way. I actally don't feel very comfortable with marines yet. Terminators in drop pods are not as good as teleporting ones, thats for sure. the grey hunters feel very durable and can take alot of fire before breaking.

And this time the AMTL list felt very hard to beat, but it was more to my incompetence with the marines i think.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 6:39 pm 
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Oh this looks like a hard fought battle. Nice one!

Yeah the AMTL is a harder nut for marines and I expect harder for SW but that's 100% gut feeling on my part. I've poked Apoc into trying that match up myself so it'll be interested to see how our experiences compare. Pod'd Terminators are harder to use I expect than they are in something like IH, where the termies would come along with dreadnoughts for a harder hitting package. I'm with you on being somewhat at a loss to best leverage them that way.

Those Great Companies really can soak up the BMs. I was impressed with them.

Curious to get better insight on how the drop coordinates for the termies worked out for you. Not quite sure where they landed in comparison to the board / formations.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:10 pm 
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Thanks for the report!

With marines you really need to concentrate on things. In this case, wipe out the small stuff or focus on a single assault to kill one titan at a time. Looking at the board up there, I think you really suffered from not killing the warhounds. Especially with the terminator assault only getting one formation close enough to the reaver to really hurt it.

I think you could have wiped out the warhounds t2 with the preds and termies which would have significantly changed the outcome.

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