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Space Wolfs vs Steel Legion 3000p

 Post subject: Space Wolfs vs Steel Legion 3000p
PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 2:48 pm 
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Tried out the new Wolfs in a friendly game :)

Space Wolfs = W Steel Legion = I

Space Wolfs List:
Great Company with Battle Leader and Wolf Lord
Great Company with Battle Leader
Great Company with Battle Leader
Blood Claws with Wolf Priest
Blood Claws with Wolf Priest
Blood Claws with Wolf Priest
Fenris Wolfs with Wolf Priest
Fenris Wolfs with Wolf Priest
Fenris Wolfs with Wolf Priest
Long Fangs
Wolf Scouts
Thunderbolts.

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Turn 1
W CAP
I Manticore fire at BTS killing 1 and laying 5 BM and 2BM on nearby Longfangs
W Fenris March toward ruins in the middle (Sentinel fire OW = I BM)
I Mech Inf Co doubles against ruins and Fenris = 1 BM
W BloodClaw double to ruins
I Inf Co doubles towards the city and enters the houses
W BTS Marshall and moves forward
I Hydra moves and shoots at Bloodclaw rhinos 2 hits but 2 saves = 1 BM
W Fenris doubles to forest
I Thunderbolt attack BloodClaws (within their own AA umbrella) killing 2 Rhinos
W Longfangs double toward forest and shoots at Mech Inf Co killing 2 Leman Russ!
I Warhound doubles toward BloodClaws killing 2 marines
W Fenris doubles towards the hill
I Thunderbolts attack Longfangs, Intercepted but all the attacks miss their targets. 4 hits on the Longfangs but they save 3.
W BloodClaws march towards the Hydras hoping to assault next turn
I Warhound moves and shoot the BloodClaws killing 3 Spacemarines and 2 Rhinos
W BloodClaws march toward Infantry Co in the City setting themselves up for a turn 2 assault
I Sentinels double and places 1 BM on the BloodClaws
W Great Co double toward the BloodClaws
I Superheavy doubles and kills 5 Spacemarines from the Great Co and a BM on the BloodClaws
W Great Co march towards Superheavy
End of turn 1. 1 Space Wolf Thunderbolt is shoot down by AA. Fenris 3 and Mech Inf Co fails to rally, both uses the SC.

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Turn 2
W Fenris engage and intermingles the Hydras and Sentinels. Bad dice but they manage to kill 2 and win the fight. (3 more die in hackdown, 2 sentinels flee and all hydras is destroyed)
W Retain. Great Co commands Bloodclaws to join the assault on the Inf Co in the city. Killing 6 (5 more in hackdown) SpaceWolfs lose 0 fighters.
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I Warhound fire at the Bloodclaws but only kills 1
I Retains with the Mech Inf Co and assaults the Longfangs. Killing all fangs without losses.
W Great Co commands nearby Bloodclaws (Fenris wolfs was badly placed more than 10 cm away…) to attack the Mech Inf Co. Another bad roll by the Wolfs, 1 hit out of 7 3+ rolls IG kills 3 Spacemarines but loses the fight due to rolling a 1 and a 2 in the end. The Mech company flees (and the BloodClaws)
I Warhound shoots at the Great Co killing 1
W Great Co doubles to the Mech Inc Co (Supporting Range)
I Thunderbolt attack Great Co killing 2 Rhinos and 1 Space Marine leaving a lone Rhino fleeing
W Fenris engage the Sentinels killing them all. Little trouble with how to spread the unit…
I Manticors goes on OW
W Thunderbolt stands down
I Thunderbolts attacks BloodClaws killing 1 Rhino
W Fenris engage Mech Inf Co and kills 4 units winning the assault and destroying the rest (16 units) No wolfs was harmed during this fight
I SuperHeavy moves and shoot at the Gray Hunters Kills all but 1 Space Marine who flees to the forest
End of turn 2. Lone Rhino, Inf Co and Sentinels fail to rally.

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Turn 3
Scouts teleport. Blocking the way for the Warhound.
W BloodClaw engage Warhound. 2 wounds each but the Spacewolfs win and the Warhound flee.
W Fenris engage the Manticores (the fire OW = 1 BM) Manticores is killed
I SuperHeavy attack the BloodClaws near the Blitz killing 4
W Fenris engage the Warhound 2. 1 Wolf is killed but they cause 2 wounds and wins the engagement. Warhound flee (but stays put…)
I Thunderbolt attack Great Co and kills 1 Rhino (again)
W Lone BloodClaw march towards own blitz
I Thunderbolt attack Gray Hunters = 1 BM
W Thunderbolt attack Sentinels. Sentinels saves 2 hits but 1 is still killed.
The Space Wolfs moves the rest of the units to secure objectives. The IG only hope is if the lone Sentinel rallies but it fails to do so.
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Space Wolfs Win 4-0 (BTS, TSNP, DTF, T&H)

Conclusions:
I did this battle to try out the new formations for the Space Wolfs (2.4.2)
I wanted to test if the BloodClaws could be spammed. 6marines for 200 points looked really good. The army had several weaknesses and was not that fun to play. If I would do another build I would add more Longfangs to get some more shooting and some more AA...
The whole first turn was just the wolfs moving up to position and trying to not get shoot at. The Imperial Guards did some bad decisions in the setup, mainly placing the Super Heavies in a bad position, that really made the wolfs work easy.
To me the Blood Claws might be ok points vice they lack firepower and has 6+ in FF. The thing that really stood out was the Fenrisian Wolfs. ATSKNF, 5+ save, infiltrator and the ability take a Hero is very good for 150 points...
The Long Fangs had some luck in the start of the battle so I really haven't used them much but they also felt very good. Is it really necessary to lower the AT shot to 5+ AND to give them 3x shots for just 50 points?
I had no problem with the Unblooded rule as I fought IG and wanted to get into CC and didn't use the Pack rule when defending...
The Scouts with teleport is fun but I usually takes scout for other stuff (cheap, scout screen) so I didn't think they were worth the points. But I fell I used them "wrong"

We don't play with spacecraft much but otherwise this army looks like a drop podding one ;) A Big Great Company in pods...

To make an army that thrives on assaults even better in that area is dangerous, not totally convinced that taking away the missile launcher is that a big disadvantage, even if I did miss the ability to prep the target before engaging :) (and teleporting Terminators & Warhounds)


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 Post subject: Re: Space Wolfs vs Steel Legion 3000p
PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 3:55 pm 
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Moin,

Great Report thank you!
Man that must have been all the wolf priests they god. Including the old and blind ones!

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:18 pm 
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Ole wrote:
Man that must have been all the wolf priests they god. Including the old and blind ones!
So true! I suspected that some of the priests wasn't top quality :)


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:31 am 
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Hi!

Great report!

Thanks for sharing it!

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 Post subject: Re: Space Wolfs vs Steel Legion 3000p
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 4:16 am 
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uvenlord wrote:
To me the Blood Claws might be ok points vice they lack firepower and has 6+ in FF. The thing that really stood out was the Fenrisian Wolfs. ATSKNF, 5+ save, infiltrator and the ability take a Hero is very good for 150 points...


First off, fantastic battle report. It was easy to follow the flow and I enjoyed reading your summary at the end.

One small thing regarding the effectiveness of the Fenrisian Wolves: I don't think they are supposed to get ATSKNF? Are they really considered "marine" formations?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:46 pm 
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S'Cipio wrote:
uvenlord wrote:
To me the Blood Claws might be ok points vice they lack firepower and has 6+ in FF. The thing that really stood out was the Fenrisian Wolfs. ATSKNF, 5+ save, infiltrator and the ability take a Hero is very good for 150 points...


First off, fantastic battle report. It was easy to follow the flow and I enjoyed reading your summary at the end.

One small thing regarding the effectiveness of the Fenrisian Wolves: I don't think they are supposed to get ATSKNF? Are they really considered "marine" formations?

-S'Cipio
Thanks, not sure about that eather but I think I read "somewhere" that they do, "some of the wolfs are former marines anyway..."
If the do not that needs to be stated somewhere.


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 Post subject: Re: Space Wolfs vs Steel Legion 3000p
PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:22 am 
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The wolves do get ATSKNF. With no FF they are highly susceptible to FF engagements.


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Dobbsy wrote:
The wolves do get ATSKNF. With no FF they are highly susceptible to FF engagements.
True but with infiltrator and 20 cm move they are also very good at getting into close combat...


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But how do they fair in CC...? :) Wiped out much?


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Only played with them once so its mostly in theory but they have 4+ in CC so they are equal or better than most of their opponents. Anyway, the big advantage is that they are cheap, fast and can take a beating moving forward (5+ save and ATSKNF)
Perhaps they are better against guards then other armies? But again I only played one game so...


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I priced them similar to Scouts as the cheap "throw away" formation for the army and to harry flanks and the like. When I've used them in the past they've been smashed by artillery and shooting before they got anywhere near CC. They quickly reduced my activation count.


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Dobbsy wrote:
I priced them similar to Scouts as the cheap "throw away" formation for the army and to harry flanks and the like. When I've used them in the past they've been smashed by artillery and shooting before they got anywhere near CC. They quickly reduced my activation count.
I do not think that this unit will break the game but I just think that it is very cost effective. Will try it out some more next time :)


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