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3000pts OGBM vs Dark Eldar

 Post subject: 3000pts OGBM vs Dark Eldar
PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:22 pm 
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Finnish tournament rules (w08) - neal's changes, landing flyers etc.
CAP vs CAP


OGBM

v2 with Neal's latest posted changes
(no big guns in kustom, big mek +75 etc)



Great Gargant (all soopa) + big mek (supa-zzap) + SC 875
Great Gargant (lifta droppa) + big mek (dethkannon) 875
Kustom Gargant (supa-lifta) + big mek (grot rokkits) 500
Fighta Bomberz (3)  150  x5

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(version 1.5)

Kabal syndicate:2 barges of pleasure, 8 warriors, 1 archon 625pts
Kabal syndicate: 6 warriors, 3 raiders, 1 sybarite 200pts
Heavy barge: vessel of pain 250pts
Heavy barge: vessel of pain 250pts
Tormentor titan 500pts
Ravens 200pts
Talos swarm:4 talos 200pts
Slavebringer 200pts
Wych cult: 6 wyches, 3 raiders, 1 dracite 250pts
Webway portal 50pts
kashnarak 50pts
Scourge flight: 6 Scourges 225pts






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 Post subject: 3000pts OGBM vs Dark Eldar
PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:58 pm 
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I'll be surprised if OGBM doesn't get slaughtered.  3 formations on the ground isn't enough, especially when their max frontage is 16cm each.

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 Post subject: 3000pts OGBM vs Dark Eldar
PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:22 pm 
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SETUP

Dark Eldar wins strategy roll and picks side (not corner this time to make things more interesting...)

Syndicate 2 and Wytches are behind the portal and Scourges ready to teleport making it total 4 deploys for Dark Eldar and 3 for Orks.
Dark Eldar changes the left front objective to gate.



Orks deploy all Gargants quite close to each other, with Kustom Gargant looking over Blitz in ruins.



Syndicate #1 with Archon and one Vessel of Pain on right flank and Tormentor titan and other Vessel of Pain on left flank.



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 Post subject: 3000pts OGBM vs Dark Eldar
PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:37 pm 
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TURN 1

Oops, almost forgot: Power Fields: 11, 3 and 12 (!)

No teleports. Initiative: Dark Eldar

As normally in first turn (unless IG in play), initiative is handed to loser.
Those grot rokkits are not that scary when you have Shadowshields..

Bad Moon Fighta-Bomberz scream from the sky and bomb the Tormentor but all rokkits miss. Ravens are put to CAP.



Second Fighta-Bomberz squadron soar toward Tormentor and are intercepted by Ravens. 2 hits are scored, Fighta-Bomberz jink and one is lost.



Left Pain doubles to new position behind a hill. Third Fighta-Bomberz squadron intercepts Ravens but miss with 6 AA shots. Right Pain doubles to new position behind right flank ruins.

Fourth Fighta-Bomberz squadron also intercepts Ravens and this time 3 hits are scored, resulting in one Raven going crashing down in flames. Archon Syndicate doubles forward to hide behind the hill.

The last Fighta-Bomberz squadron attacks right flank Vessel of Pain and drop one Shadowfield. Tormentor tries to double, fails and just moves a bit forward with its 2 BM.

Kustom Gargants sustains fire and shoots one Rokkit aimed at right Pain - but it misses! Slavebringer ground attacks Deth Kannon Great Gargant and drops one field.

SC Great Gargant doubles onward. Deth Kannon GG tries to set Overwatch, fails, Warlord tries to convince that it would be good idea but still fails and instead repositions itself a bit.

At the end phase, all formations rally. Slavebringer gets 1 BM for exiting from Ork edge.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:54 pm 
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TURN 2

I really forgot to take pictures between turn 1 and 2 but honestly: not that much happened...

No teleports. Initiative: Dark Eldar again.

Left Pain doubles, pop-ups at SC GG and drops 3 shields (two hits with 2BP cannon on double, that was impressive). First Fighta-Bomberz squadron comes down at left Pain but no hits.

Right Pain fails to double. Archon tries to give some good advice but no help. So Vessel holds and regroups.

Fighta-Bomberz squadron with 2 planes left and 2 BM succeeds to take into air, bombs Archon Syndicate and destroy one stand of infantry. Raven (3BM) is successfully put to CAP yet again.

Next Fighta-Bomber squadron arrives and targets left Vessel of Pain. Raven CAPs them and hits once, dropping one FB. Remaining two hit Vessel of Pain with one rokkit, dropping its shadowshield (hm, I think this was the second one, so the previous FB squadron must have hit too)



Next comes Slavebringer (1 BMP) which bombs SC GG, with no hits. Fourth Fighta-Bombers attack Slavebringer, get no hits on return fire and drops the Shadowshield from it.



Tormentor marshals its 1 BM and advances. Last Fighta-Bomberz squadron also attacks Slavebringer, hits twice but both are saved.
Wyches pour from the Gate and take position around it and the other objective nearby.

Deth Kannon GG doubles sideways, takes aim at Tormentor.. and misses with its big guns, Twin Soopagun, Lifta Droppa and Deth Kannon. Archon Syndicate marshals and respositions itself a bit behind the hill, putting all warriors onboard, ready to assault over the hill..

SC Gargant doubles onward, turns right and opens fire at (left) Vessel of Pain. Soopaguns and Supa-Zzapp miss. It is neverthless broken and falls back to DE blitz. Kustom gargant doubles leftward and opens fire at Vessel of Pain - all miss but one supa-zzapp which drops one Shadowshield..

What a great display of Gargant raw shooting power!

All formations rally but right side Vessel of Pain. Image upcoming at the start of the turn 3...






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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:02 pm 
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TURN 3

First Kashnarak pops out of the Gate and charges toward Deth Kannon Great Gargant, guided by Wyches.



Then Scourges teleport to encircle the SC Gargant (no BM from teleport).



It is time to get into business!







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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:40 pm 
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(I will continue tomorrow, now some sleep...)


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 Post subject: 3000pts OGBM vs Dark Eldar
PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:32 pm 
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Turn 3 now starts...

Initiative: Dark Eldar (once again)

Scourges open sustained fire at SC Gargant and score 5 hits! Only 2 fields left...

Archon Syndicate then speeds up from behind the hill and engages the SC Gargant. The engagement is brutal, the combined power of Syndicate and supporting Scourges strip all the remaining fields and like 6 (or 8?) hits are scored... of which Gargant armor prevents all but one! In exchange, 12 attacks + 3 macro attacks deal horrible casualties to Dark Eldar. Engagement is won by Great Gargant and it hacks down some more Syndicate members; the remaining Archon, one Barge (with 1 DC left) and one Warrior retreat to DE blitz.

Now it is Orky turn. Deth Kannon Gargant tries to sustain fire at Tormentor, but fails and just holds and shoots down all its Shadowshields (a mistake on my part here - as Gargant failed activation, I could not retain the initiative.. should have started with Fighta-Bomberz, as we will see...)

Right Vessel of Pain, with 2 BM (one short of breaking, so...) advances toward SC Gargant, opends fire and deals 2 damage to Gargant plus 4 blast markers more (now 6).

Kustom gargant doubles back to Ork blitz to prevent easy victory for DE. Tormentor doubles (after SC reroll) and moves toward SC Gargant, open fire but misses with TK attacks - one BM more for the great gargant.


(Dark Eldar concentrate their effort against SC Gargant)

Fighta-Bombers without BM assault Vessel of Pain near DE blitz and hit twice for no damage. Second Fighta-Bomberz squadron with no blast markers but with 2 planes left retains and also attack that Vessel of Pain, succeeding to do one damage and breaking it yet again. It stays put.

Slavebringer (with like 3 BM) stays down. Fighta-Bomberz with 1 BM aim the broken Archon Syndicate (BTS), hit the barge 3 times, one is not saved and it is destroyed, taking Archon and last Warrior with blast markers.


(Fighta-Bomberz do some cleanup at DE blitz)

Last Raven is put to CAP. Two fighta-bomberz with 2BM stay down, repairing some damage. Wyches take better position around two objectives.

EDIT: My notes are incomplete, but I think that around here the second Syndicate pops out of web portal and marches next to SC Gargant... SC Gargant engages Scourges around it, barges four of them into melee, kills all but one and saves all hits it takes from Scourges and supporting Syndicate. It consolidates to take the whole SYndicate out with its 8BP soopa gun array at the start of the next turn...

(hm, my notes are obviously a bit incomplete here but I think there was fifth Fighta-Bomberz run at right Vessel of Pain, breaking it, and Raven dropped one Fighta-Bomber...

Objectives: 1 (bts) - 0 for Orks. Most units rally but right Vessel of Pain stays broken IIRC.






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 Post subject: 3000pts OGBM vs Dark Eldar
PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 4:15 pm 
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TURN 4

Initiative: Dark Eldar (surprise!)

Without giving a chance for SC Gargant to open fire, Tormentor titan sustains fire at SC Gargant and does some more damage. Retaining, the second Syndicate advances, shoot at SC Gargant and does some damage.

Fighter Bomberz take into air, bomb the Vessel of Pain at Blitz and destroy it. SC Gargant retains, engages the Syndicate near it and wipes them out. However, SC Gargant is now at 9 damage (3 DC left), 1 fire and 10 blast markers.

Slavebringer finally comes down on ground, releases Talons which engage SC Gargant.. SC Gargant yet again triumphs destroying 2 Talons and Slavebringer, but is damaged for 2 more damage and 2 more fires and breaks also. 1 DC left and 3 fires, it is going to be BTS for Dark Eldar... and They Shall Not Pass unless either remaining Gargant marches...



Then Kustom Gargant tries to march before Raven could give it BM... and fails, but Warlord from the blazing Great Gargant gives his last commands and Kustom gargant moved onward to DE half of the board. Last Raven then comes down at SC Gargant, trying to destroy it but its hit is saved.

I think that then second Fighta-Bomberz squadron bombs Wyches and destroy 2 of their transport. Wyches then marshal.

Finally Deth Kannon Gargant and remaining Fighta Bomberz bomb Wyches to break point to possible get They Shall Not Pass for Orks...



In end phase, as expected the SC Gargant goes up in a big bang when its ammunition is reached by flames. BTS for DE!



Both Vessel of Pain and Wyches rally so final objectives are: 1-1 (bts-bts)

We actually forgot that we should roll if the combat would go on, so we start counting destroyed units and Orks easily win by 1825 to 875, 950 point margin...


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 4:32 pm 
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Some general comments on match:
Dark Eldar was definately at troubles, as their army has AT problems. And AA is so light that Fighter Bomberz could operate freely.

Then the reinforced armour of Great Gargant was so durable.. like 3 failed saves in the first 24. All Ork engagement resolution rolls were 4 or more.

On the other hand, DE got the initiative each turn and Ork shooting rolls totally sucked for the first two turns, then they started to reach average results.

For the tactics: This list is not actually meant to win by objectives but by destroyed units - it is quite hard to get any points out of it. My mistake was to try to reach the Blitz when I thought that DE is so soft and almost lost because of that. It is not easiest to play as I almost lost on the third turn and then again on fourth while itself had no much possibility to win by objectives. But next time, I will be more prepared stategically (and have some changes prepared for the list)


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 4:35 pm 
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Then of OGBM: The free Warlord with +MW CCEA and +MW FFEA is quite a boost. Ok, you have to take Great Gargant for him, and then if you take Big Mek, you "lose" one big advantage of Big Mek - leader.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:23 pm 
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(Hena @ Mar. 29 2008,17:14)
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Umm... Supreme Commander is leader.

I thought he meant one can't "double up" the leader on the the Great Gargant with both characters on it...

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:42 pm 
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(Hena @ Mar. 29 2008,19:14)
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Umm... Supreme Commander is leader.

Exactly.

(actually Mekboy Big Boss is even marked as 'Character, Leader, Supreme Commander', so this could be fixed in next doc)


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