OK, one at a time!
Markconz wrote:
Sorry but I'm unlikely to use that list. I liked Chroma's original list with the daemon engines, whose weirdness actually fits in the list IMO.List building which adds units for which no models exist or will exist, and also ditching models which have existed is of little interest to me.
I think the daemon engines are the best of the things ditched - however they do appear in alternative lists and I think they have more scope to fully flesh them out. As it is by focusing on Daemons in this list, and Daemon engines elsewhere they may both finally see the light of day! I think EPIC has moved far beyond the limitations of models - alot of approved SM lists have non-existant models (Scions of Iron and LR Crusaders, LR Helios), alot of approved IG lists have non-existant models (DKoK with their Macharius and Breaching Drill) - while the models being removed are not being ditched for no reason. New lists require a certain flexibility on the part of the player, and this has never been a barrier to other list development - epic with only extant miniatures would be very sad.
Ulrik wrote:
I'm thinking that Daemon Engines can't fit in both the Daemon World list and the LatD list (which is a cultist list from an imperial world). Either they're weird creations only possible on a Daemon World, or they are ramshackle constructions possessed by summoned daemons.
Plus I dont think one list could give full expression to both daemons in thier plurality and to the hosts of different Daemon Engines.
madd0ct0r wrote:
cool. I'll take your updated demon stats for the cult chaos titan list, but can we liaise a little over the soulgrinder stats?
Mine in the Stygian Abyss demon engine list are basically the same, except they have some firefight capability too
Sure thing, though I wouldn't move over any stats atm. Any of the new daemon stats were just rough guesses of where to start from rather than any serious proposal - Can you send me over your Soul Grinder stats?
frogbear wrote:
I feel the list loses something by being so structured. I would like to suggest having 4 core formations (5 if undivided) and list any/all of the respective daemons under each of the chaos gods. Then state that you can take 6-10 units of any type then list the points per unit.
Let the players decide how they wish to form their formations.
It would all be very chaotic and quite suitable.
I like that idea! So have "Khorne Horde: May contain up to 10 of the folliwing at appropriate points cost: BLetters, FHounds, Juggernauts" etc? Might be hard to balance.
Tiny-Tim wrote:
Hmm, Horrors as core and Flamers as support. That's me scuppered.
Easy change, though Flamer to Horror conversions are pretty simple. Horrors are generally regarded as the 'core' tzeentch daemon.
Apocolocyntosis wrote:
Horrors are a really fun conversion from the current plastic plague bearers.
What about a 4 unit soulgrinder support formation?
You could also add a single 'generic stat' deamon engine option, giving them a small presence.
If there were a lot of daemon engines, that should be a sperate forge of souls list.
Also people mentioning existing models being removed for new ones with no mini – nothing stops you proxying your death dealers for soul grinders etc.
I was planning on converting from Flamers, clipping off the bulbous ends of thier arms and having a different paintjob. One of the joys of 6mm isn't it?
I had mentioned thinking about a pure Soul Grinder fm - I will get stats from MadDoctor and have a look. I can see Daemon Engines being in as allies, but I agree that leaving them to a list which has a better chance of fleshing them out is best.
Mephiston wrote:
As it stands you can't get a Daemon Prince, no Herald to replace anymore
And not stat's for the Zombies, and could they be renamed to represent a horde of mindless worshippers somehow... ok Zombies still works lol.
Also what lessers are undivided?
Yeah I mentioned above that I have left Heralds out for know, awaitign feedback on whether people really feel they are necessary. Otherwise it is a simple change to just make it "add a Daemon Prince to any Daemonic Horde"
Argh! I thought I had included all the stats
Lesser Undivided are Daemonic Beasts and Furies.
Thanks for all the feedback guys, really great