Question: Wings of Change allow me to have 3 planes or is it an either/or situation?
Hatred Rule: Why not just adopt the standard 'Factions' rule?
Loyalty amongst Friends does not sit well with me for a Chaos List. Would you consider 'Betrayed!' or something else? - whatever you choose, for the 3 out of 5 of them this is a distinct disadvantage and for the other 2 it is a slight disadvantage (weakness that an opponent can exploit). I would not have the rule myself, however if you do insist on keeping it (and making it even harder for these guys to rally due to the extra -1 on top of the base -2), I would again give the Warp Palace and Plague Tower a 25 point discount. Again, I would prefer to take the rule out altogether however as I hate forced moves - as I am sure do most players of strategy games. Look at the World Eaters rule for an idea on a restriction without the forced move.
all prices are nominal stabs in the dark at the moment.
Wings of change is for the set, as a single formation. so until the firelord is dead, no intercepting.
Hatred: I didn't use the standard rule? i used the one in the compedium. is there a newer wording?
Loyalty amongst friends: is intended to be a disadvantage to negate the boredom of having an all fearless list.
Terrawrym at 325 points, DC 6, 3x75cm MW, RA + IS, Fearless, Hellblades, Transport 12, and the ability to garrison and start on Overwatch is too cheap for me.
I do not care that it cannot move. Effectively you are preventing Blitz and T&H objectives for a very little cost.
it's a tunneler - so it has to tunnel in. could use free planetfall if it's clearer.
EXPERIMENTAL UNITS: ..... Brass Scorpians (Greater and lesser)
Where did all the Brass go?
forgot to print the list with their prices in, so they got left out. simple as that
What about the other Daemon engines?
Cauldron of blood etc
Critical on the Giant Spawn sounds fun. Decimator/plaguereaper would seem to fit in with this size of WE?
I like the idea of a daemon engine list, although my personal preference would be for one based on formations of smaller engines, with the larger as support.
Looked at decimator, but had a vague desire to keep tanks out of the list. only the really weird stuff. it was supposed to be a home for the extremes of the latd list after all.
Lord Aaron wrote:
I thought this list would be like Apocolocyntosis said , groups of small (AV's) supported by the big ones(WE's), I like that idea. but good luck either way, I got almost the entire range of old choas DE's so Ill be watching this thread closely.
I wanted to keep the smaller stuff for the other lists. I basically started from the principle of OGBM or a titan list. It's also meant to be a chaos undivided list, and if you buy say, two small formations of av followed by a war engine, that's a lot of points, making harder to fit everything in.
Love the concept. Good luck on this project.
EXPERIMENTAL UNITS: Warp Palace (or greater spire)
I have an objection to these being used as general, Tzeentchian daemon engines.
Edit: Incidentally, an argument similar to the Silver Tower point above would exist for not including Slaanesh Knights/titans. They were from a specific source. Plus, if you're making a WE daemon engine list, that's ripe for taking development in a pretty different direction.
The core formations are not large enough to cause the normal activation-related and are-coverage problems associated with a titan-centered list. You could easily run 10+ activations of decent-sized WEs. I think it will miss on your intended design concept.
The Tzeentch aircraft formation is odd. The inclusion of the bomber means there is no intercept. That might be fine for a ground attack formation but there's no interception and very little AA in the list.
Loyalty Amongst Friends: I understand there is definitely going to be a need to hinder an all-Fearless WE list, but I think this rule will be extremely problematic. In general, forcing an action that is normally under player control is very challenging mechanically. It also raises questions about a sense of fairness.
Terrawyrm - IIRC, there's some sort of tunneling WE in a chaos squat list that frogbear was developing. If it's been done, you should probably reference it. No sense in re-inventing the wheel.
I knew the silver towers were prospero specific - but thought the warp palace wasn't?
didn't know that about the slaaneshi stuff, tell me more. especially about this new direction...
I looked at forcing 600pt formations as the standard, and while it made the list feel more like a titan list, it halved the diversity. these WE really really aren't as tough as titans, and it'd be much easier to cripple a big formation.
air support cannot intercept? intended. that's what the chaos alter is for. the fighters can intercept interceptors though?
it's not anything i have my heart set on though.
another big dislike for 'loyalty amongst friends'. I'll try again.
off to go and find frogbear's tunneller.