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Emperor's Children 3.5.2 - List Reviewed and Released

 Post subject: Re: Emperor's Children 3.4 - List being reviewed prior to Fr
PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:42 pm 
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The one thing that this list then shows as a problem is that I'm not playing with any Noise Marines, is this a potential problem for an EC list?


Yes.

That's some great feedback TT. Just the type that I am looking for.

I may break the selection fields into Core and Auxillery and place some requirement in there.

Just curious, are you able to post the list you usually take in the EpicUK list?

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 Post subject: Re: Emperor's Children 3.4 - List being reviewed prior to Fr
PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:48 pm 
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http://www.epic-uk.co.uk/ukepicachampio ... d=7&tid=36

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:55 pm 
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The last list I took was this:

1 Emperor's Children Retinue Slaanesh Lord
Core Noise Marines + Warlord + Rhinos x2 +Land Raider
2 Emperor's Children Retinue Sorcerer Lord
Core Noise Marines + Defiler
3 Emperor's Children Retinue Sorcerer Lord
Core Noise Marines + Rhinos x3
4 Chaos Space Marines
5 Chaos Space Marines
6 Defilers
7 Daemon Knights
8 EC Terminators Sorcerer Lord
9 Degrader Pack Subjugator x1
10 Degrader Pack Subjugator x1

Next time I play I'll use the following list:

1 Emperor's Children Retinue Slaanesh Lord
Core Noise Marines + Warlord + Rhinos x2 +Land Raider
2 Emperor's Children Retinue Sorcerer Lord
Core Noise Marines + Rhinos x3
3 Defilers Defilers + Dreadnought x1
4 Daemon Knights
5 EC Terminators Lord
6 EC Terminators Sorcerer Lord
7 Degrader Pack Subjugator x1
8 Degrader Pack Subjugator x1
9 Hellblades
10 Hellblades

To give me more cover against aircraft.


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 Post subject: Re: Emperor's Children 3.4 - List being reviewed prior to Fr
PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:59 pm 
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Thanks for that

I will see if I can replicate to a similar format and keep the Noise Marine theme as a standard in the list.

Cheers :)

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http://www.epic-uk.co.uk/ukepicachampionship/pax.php?pid=7&tid=36

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:55 am 
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Sonars are great, 6 first strike jump pack troops


TT. Just curious. Did you see that they were CC4+? That was the balancing factor for the first strike. In effect, they have less impact as Raptors have a better FF. The CC damage works out to be the same.

Knowing those tidbits, would you still take them as you did in the list you presented?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:04 am 
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Quick question,

Apart from the aircraft is the debaser the only dedicated AA platform?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:11 am 
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Justiniel wrote:
Quick question,
Apart from the aircraft is the debaser the only dedicated AA platform?


I never really believed that Chaos should have readily available massed AA, yet in this list, the 2 debasers in the Daemon Engine Pack are supplying 4xAA5+ which is pretty good I think - especially at 45cm range.

Even then, they can gain further 2xAA5+ for 100 points a pop + the additional shooting, FF and CC potential they also gain.

Did you have any other ideas in mind for the EC list?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:22 am 
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Thanks.
No I've no particular ideas, was just list building and expected to see Oblits or similar.
I agree that Chaos should be AA light too and the debasers are very good, it just seems to mean building a defiler/debaserless force is going to take some thinking about....and testing, particularly against aircraft heavy opposition.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:37 am 
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Well if building the World Eaters force was anything to go by (they have no ground based AA units), Chaos forces such as this can do pretty well with Hellblade fighters for their AA, as they are 3 to a forrmation, and each have 2xAA5+. So if anything, I have shown that you do not have to have ground AA troops to have an effective AA battery.

The bonus with the Hellblades, is that they can also be used for the attack runs when the opponent is light on the aircraft, and the fact that you have aircraft means that they will be more cautious and conscious of keeping within their AA umbrella - which can assist when they will need to resort to March moves to gain objectives - which you can account for.

That psychological advantage for 225 points is not the best, but it is not too bad either.

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Sonars are great, 6 first strike jump pack troops


TT. Just curious. Did you see that they were CC4+? That was the balancing factor for the first strike. In effect, they have less impact as Raptors have a better FF. The CC damage works out to be the same.

Knowing those tidbits, would you still take them as you did in the list you presented?


Yes I noted that they were only CC 4+, but if you stop and think about it they are close to a chaos version of Warpspiders. Yes they need to get into BtB contact, but with their movement I'd still judge them as potentially better cost wise.


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Cheers FB
I agree, there are AA options and none of these questions should be regarded as critisms, I was was just trying list build options.
I have both Hellblades and 'debasers' (actually still defilers at the mo) so it's not a problem.

Hey, my list doesn't show any Raptors, hmmmm, time to print a new list methinks :D


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Always happy to hear feedback - none is taken as criticism. It is when I hear nothing that I fear the most as then I know I have more work to do when I try to get it approved for Developmental status and all these topics are then brought up. Better now than later :)

Raptors? You mean Sonars right?

In any event, the list will be updated to a new version this month, so all the feedback and clarifications coming in is really going to help strengthen the list.

Cheers and thanks for the support (both J and TT)...

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frogbear wrote:
Raptors? You mean Sonars right?


Indeed, just misreading your and TT's exchange above :(

Now I need to find a chance to actually play this list. here's hoping


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Justiniel wrote:
Now I need to find a chance to actually play this list. here's hoping


Well if you have Vassal we could organise something in 2 weeks...

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