All great posts above! In no particular order:
Apocolocyntosis wrote:
Doomkitten wrote:
You probably know I'd prefer my Tallarn 'heavier',
We did consider having the conqueror formation in core (spam risk? or fine? all needs testing). While tallarn could be nice heavier there are already a lot of armoured lists and mech inf lists that can represent tallarn forces of that make-up.
Yeah we're trying to fit somewhere in between ultralight (Elysians) and a mech. I'll point out the Ulani list is probably THE best fit for a "typical" Tallarn force.
Doomkitten wrote:
Friends don't let friends put buggies in army lists. If you've got conquerers, and if the entire army isn't based around aircav (and it's far from that) then the need for anything other than the most occasional use of Tauros is almost gone. More use of the lighter chimera-based chassis (so no big artillery pieces), makes more flavour-sense to me.
That's ultimately why Hell hounds and Griffons ended up in here instead of Tauros as the list became too light them being LVs vs AVs. However if a Tauros ended in instead of an AV likely the Conquerors would have to be core, which again opened worries about Spamming one of the better guard units. Seriously, it's the MOST under rated Guard tank in the game and using 2-3 6 unit Conqueror formations can cause so much havoc in an enemy back field. Basically any and all vehicles (other than Sentinels which perform a specialized role) are at least 30cm on purpose.
splash wrote:
jimmyzimms wrote:
Perhaps the swapping of hellhounds for tauros? Those without a model can simply use HH as the Counts-as anyways since both are not there so no confusion. An autocannon equipped Venator could give some extra bite to this force.
Well, if it's model availability that hinders a list, then why not just replace hellhounds with more sentinels? Or perhaps salamander scouts?
Oh wasn't about model availability at all. Just pointing out to be helpful to people that don't like to use paper proxies and MUST have models that swapping something like the HH, which let's admit it, almost everyone has a formation tucked away somewhere, is an easy to use count-as.
Great point on the Salamanders. I'm fairly certain that Apoc and I just left them out by oversight (I certainly know we discussed them). I'd see no issues being able to attach and a standard 3 formation as a scouting force (with ability to add a command variant)
Doomkitten wrote:
What's totally unnecessary and not needed is bastardising the Tallarn into becoming yet another air drop army in E:A. No vehicles except Tauros point very strongly to that theme rather than a light assets force.
I get your worry about too light to fight, see above, but I think that's a fair amount of hyperbole in that as well. After all, there's no lack of AVs and the Conquerors even have RA (seriously, 30cm RA tanks people!
). You're spot on about the big question if they should be core or not. There's probably some list mechanic that can be used to provide some balance to them not just fielding an entire force of them (and the fact they can't take the SC). All in all, good points DoomKitten!
Doomkitten wrote:
Niggle 2 - why the Marauder Destroyer?
Why not?
Actually because it absolutely shreds hoard based army's which this list would have little ability to handle well.
Doomkitten wrote:
Niggle 4 - has no effect on the rules or stats (so is really just cosmetic), but why not missile launchers (more easily portable) than the autocannon?
Rose by any other name. No more nor less portable in the fluff (see Tread-fethers in Gaunt's Ghosts). If we want to change the name to another weapon then no worries from me.
Doomkitten wrote:
Niggle 5 - a light force, seemingly meant to be mobile...and has incredibly slow-moving sabre platforms.
They're towable by the Chimeras (probably Salamanders too if thrown in). Take another gander. It's basically a ZPU-4, which again, is trying to make the connection to North Africa with the British hauling ass around the desert with towed 30 cals everywhere.
Doomkitten wrote:
Niggle 6 - needs more Russ. Lighter variants, okay, if we must, but they have to be in there somewhere,
There's only one light Russ which is already in. Core vs Support however is a good discussion.