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Urgent! SL changes
Evil and Chaos
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:01 pm 
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Warlord Titans to 825pts - Agreed.
Thunderbolts to 175pts - Agnostic

Spacecraft to allies (And points drops for both) - Sounds like a good idea. Agreed.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:01 pm 
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Rug wrote:
If Warlords go to 825pts & T-Bolts to 175pts in the Codex Marines list, should SL follow suit?


No. It should be evaluated based on the SL list, and not what the Marine list does. So maybe they should move, but not because the Marine list changes.

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Should the Spacecraft be moved into the Allies section where, arguably, it belongs? Along with some points changes this might make them more attractive.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:04 pm 
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The TB prices were meant to reflect the higher strategy rating of space marines and the subsequent drop on the Warlord was to allow both in a 3k tournament scenario.

I don't think it's needed for SL.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:07 pm 
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I'd concur on the reasoning that the changes are not compelled by the Marine changes. I think the Warlord change is justifiable. I'm not sure about the Thunderbolts.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:17 pm 
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I'd leave Thunderbolts as they are, but would be happy to see the Warlord dropped in price – but owing to internal considerations, rather than following the (debated) Astartes change.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:19 pm 
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I'd like to see some more testing for both in each of the lists before anything is done.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:24 pm 
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I think the Warlord change would be good. I don't have a strong opinions either way but I'd be inclined to leave Thunderbolts at 150 points here, I don't see parity is needed; what works in the context of the list as a whole is the important thing. Both shifting the spacecraft to support and making the a less awful choice could be good.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:45 pm 
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The problem with the IG spaceship is that they have access to better artillery and TK weapons so it's niche is missing.

So I don't think a move and/or point's drop will suddenly make it popular. In none steel legion armies I could see it being taken.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:52 pm 
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T-bolts win....next.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:10 pm 
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Mephiston wrote:
So I don't think a move and/or point's drop will suddenly make it popular.

At 150 and 300 points I don't think they've ever been costed correctly at all.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:12 pm 
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Maybe not but even at 100 they are competing with sentinels.... scout, can capture objectives...sentinels win!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:18 pm 
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CaptainSenioris wrote:
The TB prices were meant to reflect the higher strategy rating of space marines and the subsequent drop on the Warlord was to allow both in a 3k tournament scenario.

I don't think it's needed for SL.


absolutely agree with this
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