Matt-Shadowlord wrote:
Compared to other guard lists like Steel Legion, it is considerably weaker in terms of long-ranged fire power. The lack of Manticores is a very big deal, and none of the core formations have good long-range shooting (especially since I've made Mortars cost +50pts), while SL might take 10 Leman Russes or 3 Super Heavies as core. The infantry have appallingly bad shooting, where a SL has 1 Autocannon per 2 stands, Krieg get 1 Stubber per 20 stands.
While yes they don't have quite as much long range firepower as Steel legion in terms of indirect fire capable units this isn't really a weakness. No other list does really either. They do still have shadowswords, earthshaker platforms, the much debated deathstrike silo, Bombards, Medusa platforms, Macharius tanks, Leman russ and titans... It doesn't really look like they are lacking ranged firepower in the least. Look at Tyranids, Necrons, Codex marines, Most chaos lists (tzeentch and Iron Legion aside), Orks and even Eldar don't have that much.
Matt-Shadowlord wrote:
Compared to more recent guard lists like the Minverans, they're more complicated to play and easier to clip, and again lack the many of the best long range firepower units and mobile AA upgrades.
Just because they may be a little more complicated doesn't mean they are worse. They do lack ground AA mobility but thunderbolts are very cheap excellent interceptors. Do you mean they are easier to clip because they don't have the chimers 10cm counter charge only the fat Gorgons?
Matt-Shadowlord wrote:
In a nutshell, they are an assault list that gives up a lot of the usual guard advantages at range in order to be good in combat. They've historically had some under-costed or over-powered units, but with all the unit and price changes I think we're now close to the point where this list would have to be chosen by people who think it suits their playstyle rather than by people who want a rock hard list.
They given up The artillery formations, the Flak formations and Vultures for Gorgons, deathstrike silos, Earthshaker platforms, Massive core list WE transported platoons, huge and specialized deathrider platoons, FF specialized granadiers that also can be mounted in Gorgons etc... To me it looks like they made a good deal. Steel legions weakness was in engagements which they made up for with their large formations and artillery. Krieg have some very good assault formations and still have a very significant amount long ranged firepower. They do generally suffer for activation count as they 2:1 support:core is restrictive as the core companies are expensive. As a result I very much disagree with the removal of the 0-1 on the deathrider company. I also disagree with the smaller choice core formation proposal I saw. Death Rider spam lists will be devastating. You can't take away the only real drawback the list has.
I did notice that the Krieg infantry are worse then the guard infantry which is odd as they are always portrayed and a step above. I guess the CC change was necessary despite the fluff as they were over performing I understand.
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