From what I gathered from Nealhunt Tempest spam was an issue in early versions of the R.Guard list. That's why it lost scout and part of the reason it got a points increase.

You are talking about the Bike and Land Speeder nutters. The Tenpest fits very well with the Ravenwing.

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On the AA issue, I'm pretty sure I've seen the discussion of cheap Hunters come up before and IIRC the feeling was that at 50 points there would be "too many used thus leading to too much AA cover."

What about 2 Hunters per formation for 125...? I know it's not flash like a Tempest but Steve makes a good point.

How's the list coming guys? DA and Grey Knights are all that's left to do for the Marine section of the Army Book. If you can get a working copy to me this week it would be good.

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Yeah go with the 2 for 125 for starters. If it becomes problematic then it can be revised. Let's start with the small cost reduction for the 2 units and see how it goes for a while.

Sorry, I figured "Yeah go with 2 for 125 for starters" was the answer to "So are you axing the idea of the Tempest?"
So, just to be clearer, yes, axe the Tempest for now.

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Progress!
But still some minor things:
"Dreadnought and Land Raider" and "Land Raider and Razorback." Upgrades. Delete the "and" and replace wit with a ",".

Plasma: Plasma Tacticals/Devastatiors sounds daft. Either rename them Executioner Tacticals/Devastators or Dark Angels Tacticals/Devastators.

Give the Assault Terminators Thunder Hammers. As these automatically come with a Storm Shield it explains the invulnerable Save in the Notes.

And i would stick more to thr wording of the rulebook.
For example: The Assault Detachment constists of "Four Assault units". Not "4 Assault".

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All under control BL Commas are in and I am formatting lists so they match up as necessary. ATM, I've used DA Tacs and DA Devs to differentiate between the standard unit types and the diffs in the DA units(essentially plasma).

What is the rationale for DA not getting access to air support and titans? Will this hurt their competitivenss?

Rationale is that due to the secret of the Fallen the DA don't work well with others. In theory this should not hurt their competativeness, though as always the pros and cons of IN and ATML support of the Astartes is debatable.

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What's the rationale behind changing multimeltas to heavy bolters on landspeeders?

Why don't they have access to Typhoons?

Why is the upgrade from landspeeders to tornadoes +25, when it's free for everyone else?

Ravenwing Traditional Speeders are Heavy Bolters and Assault Cannon, MM and Flames aren't.


There not a Ravenwing ish Unit?


IIRC when the formation was made the Speeders were still 10 each per Tornado in the Codex list, So this was just a over sight then. Will drop it to Free on the next update so feel free to play it that way.

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