1) What happens when a WE barges an entire formation and still has move left over?

2) What happens when a WE barges twice its starting DC and still has move left over?

3) Can a WE barge an enemy unit that already has two units in base contact with it?

4) Can a WE barge an enemy unit that is in the ZoC of a scout unit from another formation?

5) Must a barging WE still charge the closest unit who's ZoC it is in?

And because Neal's back and I can't remember where we were having this debate...

Let's say a unit belonging to a formation that has been charged is 6cm away from a normal enemy unit and 7cm away from a scout enemy unit. Which one does it counter-charge?

A) The normal enemy 6cm away because:



B) The scout enemy 7cm away because:



And you charge the closest enemy who's ZoC you are in.

Both those quotes were taken from 1.12.4.

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1) As you can't move closer than in base to base you stop.

2) See above

3) Thinking........

4) If your scouting from behind shame on you! and yes as per the FAQ on such things!

5) Yes, with the old scouting from behind caveat.

In truth 4/5 and A/B are some of the trickier bits of the rules. Screening from behind has been FAQ'd and as long as you enter the normal units ZOC before the scouts you can then enter the scouts ZOC while approaching the normal unit. In your example it sounds like the formations would be intermingled and this may change the dynamic a little.

Not sure how the answer to 1 applies to 2. Once the WE has maxed out its base-to-base allotment, can it still move towards the closest enemy so long as it doesn't base it? It might matter for hit allocation/support.

The Scout ZoC stuff can occur without having it be "screening from behind".

For instance, a charged formation could be in the ZoC of a Scout that's there to support 7cm away and a charging unit could end up 6cm away from an enemy. It's that situation that I'm asking about. Which way does that enemy go? Towards the charging unit 6cm away or towards the support 7cm away because it's the closest unit who's ZoC the enemy is in.

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The whole scout thing could really be solved by saying "Scouts have a ZoC of 5cm during Engagements, and 10cm at all other times", no?

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That would allow you to back away from a Scout who's ZoC you are in if you engage them. The reason why its unclear is because of the screening from behind stuff. I think there just needs to be a little clarification in that FAQ.

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Can't see a problem with that, myself.

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If you don't enter the target units ZOC before entering the scouts you can't go in the scouts so your charge/counter charge would have to stop at the point you would enter the scout ZOC.

You have to enter the targets ZOC first. period.

Sorry about 2, if there were more units in the defending formation you could continue to move towards the nearest, just not go base to base with it.

It would mean re-evaluating the cost of all scout formations. Locking a formation in place like that helps you to get a lot of support on the formation and potentially not engage while you deal with something else (since you know it has a reduced number of options).

Also, wouldn't that mean that a formation could engage any formation it wants, if its in a Scout's ZoC?

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Dropping the scouts ZOC means I can't screen as widely as now as suddenly (up to) 10cm gaps appear when I engage through them!

Also If an opponent had placed a scout ZOC on a unit, which normally forces it to move, it could elect to engage, no longer be in a scout ZOC and fight from were it was if that was to its advantage.

Maybe I just don't like Scouts. :-)

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Right, I understand that. That deal's with the whole screening from behind thing. But what happens when you start in the ZoC of an enemy, but it happens to not be the closet? Where do you counter-charge?

I'm of the opinion that starting in ZoC is the same thing as entering ZoC. That by "starting in an enemy's ZoC" you have "entered their ZoC". Others interpret it differently however, and hence the question of where the counter-charge goes.



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AFAIK, no.

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You can only move towards the nearest. If this would force you to move deeper into the first ZOC then you can't move would be my interpretation. Good luck setting up such a problem on a regular basis though!

It does manage to pop-up a lot in our games, probably due to my play/list style.

I usually get some Speeders up to support an assault and inevitably there's a few enemy units that are closer to the engaging formation's units and not in there ZoC but in the Speeders' ZoC.

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Assuming you have less than 2xDC and are not hindered by any other charge move restrictions, you can keep moving where you want, dragging everyone along with you.


You stop. As soon as you hit 2xDC, you're pinned like normal unit-to-unit base contact.


No. It couldn't move into base contact with that unit. And on the flip side, since a WE counts as as many units as DC, if a WE is already in base contact with an enemy unit, no other friendly unit would be allowed to contact that enemy unit.


If it was able to contact that unit per the "Scout screen screen from the back" FAQ, then yes.


Yes. All restrictions on movement aside from the base-contact/barge exception still apply. A countercharging WE would still have to charge the closest enemy, for example.


The normal unit. Countercharging requires you go towards the closest, with normal exceptions for avoiding impassable terrain and enemy ZoC. Since the countercharging unit is already in the Scout's ZoC, it can't really avoid that, so I'd say it's analagous to the "screen from the back" situation and the closest target applies.

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Edit: That last answer was with the assumption that the non-scout unit was the attacker and the Scout unit was not directly involved in the assault. The non-involvement of the scout is what makes me think it is analagous to the "screening from the back" issue.

If the Scout is the attacker (by itself or via combined assault), then I'd have to think about it some more.