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Voidshields/Powerfields and loosing assault
BlackLegion
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:54 pm 
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Do Voidshields/Powerfields protect against "hackdown hits" from loosing an assault?

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 Post subject: Re: Voidshields/Powerfields and loosing assault
PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:23 pm 
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BlackLegion wrote:
Do Voidshields/Powerfields protect against "hackdown hits" from loosing an assault?

I wouldn't think so. However, RAW they do.

1.12.8 Loser Withdraws wrote:
In addition, the losing formation suffers a number of extra hits equal to the difference between the two sides’ result scores. There are no saves for these hits, which represent units being hacked down as they turn and run, or disintegrating into a panic-driven rout as they flee.


1.4.1.1 Imperial Void Shields wrote:
Each void shield will automatically stop one point of damage and then go down.


Hits and damage are used interchangeably through the rules, and 1.4.1.1 only refers to exclusions for Close Combat, which "hackdowns" technically aren't (else Skimmers wouldn't take them from losing in assaults to CC only formations).

Though I'm a bit befuddled. Most units with void/power shields have Fearless, so for the most part, not an issue. IIRC it's only the MekBoy Speedsta that has the former without the latter. Well, and Knight Castellan/Crusaders.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:24 pm 
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I would say no, as they're meant to represent troops lost through panic/fleeing. What has them that doesn't have Fearless though?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:37 pm 
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EpicUK has an Ork upgrade of powerfields to Battlefortresses, IIRC.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:11 pm 
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I think you can easily manage your assault placement to ensure the shield would be removed before it gets to hack down in most circumstances.
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 Post subject: Re: Voidshields/Powerfields and loosing assault
PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:09 pm 
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Ordinati and Vessels of Pain too.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:18 pm 
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BlackLegion wrote:
Ordinati and Vessels of Pain too.


Oh yeah, I forgot about Ordinati. Sometimes I think they should have Fearless, but that's a discussion best left for another thread.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:33 pm 
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And do downed Power/Void Shield count towards assault resolution??? I think they do count, but i´m not sure.

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 Post subject: Re: Voidshields/Powerfields and loosing assault
PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:36 pm 
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They even don't generate Blastmarker so i guess they don't count in Assault resolution either.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:18 am 
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given that hackdown hits represent casualties/ damage due to fleeing a lost fight, it's hard to see how, RAW or not, hackdown hits could be applied to shields. It would make more sense if casualties from assault resolution weren't referred to as "hits" as they are in the rules (whether they're from fleeing troops being shot in the back or not).
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:58 pm 
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Perhaps you could justify loosing shields to hackdown hits via..

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:30 pm 
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true, that's the joy of Epic, it's so abstract that you can justify pretty much anything you like. The only difficulty is getting everyone else to agree with you ;)
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 4:37 pm 
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Lol, yes. There is a great deal of subjective opinion involved in Epic.
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