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40mm frontage strip, 5-7 figures (e.g. GW infantry) 53%  53%  [ 16 ]
20mm lateral strip, 2 figures (e.g. GW archers) allowing for seperation 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
20mm frontage strip, 3 figures 7%  7%  [ 2 ]
20mm frontage strip, 2 figures allowing for seperation 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Individually 33%  33%  [ 10 ]
Other (please state) 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
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Arrangement of 10mm fantasy infantry?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:38 pm 
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I'm not forgetting about 6mm sci-fi (again); just getting an early start on gathering opinions, for the future. ?Market research, if you will.

So, like it says on the tin: if you play 10mm fantasy, how do, or would, you like your humanoid infantry to be sculpted, cast, and to arrive from the shop?

Edit: and make that 'separation'.






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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:44 pm 
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Really depends on game system and casualty removal.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:48 pm 
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Hi Vermis,
If you're thinking of doing 10mm Warmaster style infantry, I'd say avoid strips altogether!
I was chatting with Rick Priestley about this, and the only reason that GW went with strips was for packing purposes - 6 strips to a blister, instead of 30-odd individual figures. At their production levels, it made more sense.
But... it took longer to sculpt, the sculptors hated it, because they had to fill in every tiny gap and recess, and even then mould life is less than half what you get from individual figures. Plus they get around 30-40% unusable miscasts! It really put a damper on the profitabilty of Warmaster.

Strips are rarely economically viable - just look at all the 10mm WMA manufacturers. They are almost exclusively using individual figures.

I was thinking of doing figures for WMA, and Rick said individual figures were the only way to go.
Hope that helps!
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Individuals gives you (and potential clients) flexibility to mount troops on whichever bases and in whichever way they want, so I went for that choice too :)

Are any Ancient to medieval Chinese or Japanese produced by anyone in this scale? (hint, hint  :;): )

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:26 pm 
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Are any Ancient to medieval Chinese or Japanese produced by anyone in this scale?


I know Magister Militum do some nice ones:

http://tinyurl.co.uk/ex7w

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:04 pm 
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Reaver: thank you very much!  I'd say that's going to be the biggest influence on any 10mm thing I do.

I had the feeling that strips were preferable, at least in some cases.  I've recently read about multiple parts driving up the casting cost of 28mm minis, and I thought that might be one of the reasons for 10mm strips (sprues didn't enter my head).  Also, Copplestone and Kallistra didn't seem to have many doubts about it.  I guess I should've looked further afield.  Consider me educated!

Looks like the same poll I stuck on the 10mm-miniatures group is shaping up the same way.  Pretty much cut and dried.

TRC: at the moment, something compatible with Warmaster.  Mostly 'not-Middle-Earth' - there's that Specialist Game with falling availability, a yahoogroup, and a bunch of badly designed or sculpted proxies* - but something that wouldn't be out of place in the Warhammer world either.

And ogres.  I like ogres.

*While I like most of Mark Copplestone's 10mm stuff, his trolls and not-fellbeast prompted this little ambition.  In fact, if I'm allowed a moment of hubris, that's one of the main reasons I want to sculpt stuff.  I think I can do better, or at least give a crap.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:39 am 
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An Ogre Warmaster list would be cool.  Don't do Chaos Dwarves though....Eureka already has them covered.

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The only way to make strips work is if they are REALLY close together, overlapping shields, no gaps between legs etc. But that takes time, and uses more metal, pushing prices up.
The problem casting strips is all the gaps - between legs, arms, between figures, recesses behind shields etc. Apparently they rip moulds up in no time.

The multiple parts thing for 28mm figures pushes up costs because there's a limit to what you can physically fit into a 9" mould. A Roman soldier, at attention, with arms tight to his sides will fit about 16 times into a 9" mould. Take his arms off to cast separately and you will only get 6 -8 figures per mould. And at ?3 for each spin of the mould, your costs just doubled...

Anyway, if you're thinking of sculpting 10mm, here's a pic which sets the bar high. Sculpted and painted by Clibinarium (I can never remember his real name...). This guy must be the best 10mm sculptor around! Makes my jaw drop...
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Thanks again, Reaver.  And yes, those look like some benchmark.  Can I ask where they're available from, if at all (and will they be at Salute :p)?

Also, looks like 40mm strips have pulled ahead.  Any reasons?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:23 am 
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I really like the strips for both painting and basing.  Painting 2 strips is far simpler and quicker for a Warmaster scale army than painting 10-12 individual figures, and basing is a snap.

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The figures are from Pendraken's Ancients range:
http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ancients.htm
and they are usually at Salute.

Clibinarium did all the Late Roman stuff, and is reworking a few others as well. A fantastic sculptor, top painter and a really helpful bloke too. I hate him already... :D ?

A lot of people prefer 40mm strips for fantasy gaming, because it's the GW standard, and Warmaster is by far the most commonly played 10mm fantasy.
But the question is not really what people prefer, but what you can produce commercially.
Might be best to sculpt a strip, and send photos to mouldmakers - they'll soon tell you whether it's viable or not.
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I looked at Pendraken's fantasy minis a while ago.  All but dismissed it because of the shortage of photos (big turn-off) and because some of the fantasy stuff didn't appeal to me.  Dwarfs and orcs especially.
But, after seeing Clibinarium's work... Code TC07 at Salute.  That'll be another stop, then.

Also, that's reminded me of a question I didn't get an answer to, elsewhere.  I ordered a blister of trolls from Kallistra, just to check them out, and later found out that they're the same that Pendraken has photos of.  What's the deal?

Zap: I hate to bring it up, but... what about 6mm infantry? :p


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I am one who is torn between 6mm and 10mm, fantasy and historical. I admire GW for bringing the hobby to the masses and setting the standards for modelling and painting we see across a variety of companies now. I like the idea of Warmaster but have been toying around with bases and rule systems - and this is pertinent to the discussion at hand.

As I like the concept of the 'Might and Reason' ruleset I like to base my minis in one unit to a base style (ideal in 6mm and even 10mm). Then the question becomes what size unit... 40 x 80mm is nice and simple for your 40mm strips - but your command team will be out to one side :( --- 30 x 60mm is nice for gaming but 40mm strips just does not work.... unless the figures can be seperated out and moved around.

In the 40x80 bases I have done some GW Warmaster bases which were fine until I did some Copplestone orcs which although cast in strips are generally easily seperated and moved around as needed. Best of both worlds - strips made it easy to paint and base and the fact you could seperate models at any point in the base makes them as flexible as you want (so command team front and centre). Just dissapointed that the Copplestone archer castings mimick their GW counterparts by being cast joined one behind the other - singles for archers is a real must in my book.

As far as 6mm goes the 2cm strips produced by Baccus is the way to go - again you also get strips of 'individuals'. Although I must mention Rapier's (part of Newline designs) ancient 6mm which I think are fantastic in detail.

As far as Kallistra and Pendragon go --- they are the same models (something that confused me at least). To my understanding when one of them left to set up Kallistra he had the same rights to the models as Pendragon --- and with the TSS scenic system adopted them onto 40mm strips (again in the main seperable if needed) for H&H.

... if you are looking for ranges of 10mm fantasy to do..... please give us some iron clad stomping Dwarves, mail, plate-mail, plate, runes.... and give them swords so they can go stick some gobbos...


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:47 pm 
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Vermis wrote:
Also, that's reminded me of a question I didn't get an answer to, elsewhere.  I ordered a blister of trolls from Kallistra, just to check them out, and later found out that they're the same that Pendraken has photos of.  What's the deal?

Pendraken and Kallistra are the same models, just one is on a strip and one is separated. I really don't know why it takes two companies to do that, but there you go...

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I'd like to change my vote to "Individual"


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