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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 1:15 am 
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Has anyone bought the new Perry plastics for 28mm ACW? I always thought this was an era that I would never wargame. But my new gaming club has taken the plunge and decided to invest in some. At ?12 for 36 infantry or 12 cavalry it represents excellent value for money.

The figures are in hard plastic and very nicely detailed. You have free choice of headgear so you can assemble them with either Union Forage Caps (aka Kepi's) or Confederate Slouch Hats. They are re;leasing metal minatures for artillery, command and specialist troops such as dismounted cavalry.

I am curious to see what gaming system people would use and how they would base the infantry.

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 9:30 am 
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Not seen them in the fle- er, in the plastic; but I've heard lots of good about them - especially the price for the quality offered. :)

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 9:40 am 
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I know the Perrys use Black Powder - thr rules will soon be available from Warlord Games, and were written by Rick Priestley and Jervis Johnson, with help from other GW / ex GW writers. There's a bit of a discussion of the system on Warlord's website.
And if you get to Partizan today, Rick, Alan and Michael will be demo'ing the game using the ACW plastics.

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 4:39 pm 
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That would have been a demo worth seeing. Nuts- I changed my mind about going to Partizan because I knew I would spend loads of money.

There seems to be 5 options for 28mm ACW rulesets:
1) Fire & Fury
2) Johnny Reb III
3) Guns at Gettysberg
4) WAB
5) Black Powder

The first two have been around for a while but seem to be based on Brigade Combat ideally with 15mm figures.

There is not currently an official Warhammer Historical ACW ruleset- there are several unoffical versions including based on each of WFB, W40k & WAB.

The basics of the Black Powder ruleset are the brief rules included in the Perry's plastic boxsets. As yet there is no definite timetable announced for release of the full Black Powder ruleser. i am also concerned by the lack of points values for units.

At the moment it looks as if the club is leaning towards Fire & Fury. I think that is better suited to brigade combat with 15mm. For 28mm I would prefer units to be regiments rather than brigades. Will also affect basing etc.

My preference is for Warhammer Historicals. But until they release an official book we would ahve to use a translation of an article from a French wargaming magazine- not ideal!!

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:20 pm 
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Not seen them in the fle- er, in the plastic; but I've heard lots of good about them - especially the price for the quality offered. :)

I don't have any in my possession yet but I have seen both infantry and cavalry, both on sprue and assembled. They are definitely closer to the old 25mm sclae than the heroic 28mm scale popularised by GW amongst others. They are thus slightly shorter than many 28mm ACW metal figures. And with the trend to more anatomical correctness, they are slimmer than the Foundry ACW metal figures, which off course were also sculpted by the talented Perry twins.

There are 3 sprues each with 10 basic poses, with other 6 figures for command figures. Half the figures are in Union style sack coat with other half in Confederate style shell jacket (although both sides I believe wore both styles). The figures are scuplted with heads but no headwear, which looks a bit odd. The advantage is that uou can add either Union style forage cap or Confederate style slouch hat (although again both sides wore both styles of hat). The poses are mixed roughly half between firing line or marching.

Some purists have complained that they have sculpted all of the figures with union style water canteen. But given that I personally would nt recognise a confederate style water canteen if it slapped me in the face I can live with that.

Overall the poses have a perfect balance between uniformity and individualness. There is enough variety so that they dont look like robots which the Foundry packs can do as all figures same within packs. But they look cohesive enough to be a unit. Maybe if doing Confedeartes you would want more variety.

They look as if they paint up nicely. I have some some painted units already go for exorbitant amounts on ebay.

The box set even comes with 2 Union & 2 Condeferate flags, and with basic rulesheets (except from forthcoming Warlord Games Black Powder rules) you really can play them straight out of the box.

The cavalry box set adds even more variety as not surprisingly is compatible with infantry and lends much scope for conversions eg using mixture of infantry & cavalry sprues to create divisional and corps commanders.

My local gaming club has decided to invest in getting some of the plastics as a club. So far we have 10 players signed up with even split between sides. This was to try to unify the club which was tending to diverge into those players doing Flames of War and those players doing Warmachine.

I am looking forward to it as ACW was a period that I would probably have never have tried. But a combination of new Perry plastics and participating in club project has sucked me in.

I have been researching the various battles such as Antietam & Gettysburg, checking out the flags and uniforms of various Union infantry regiments, and perusing the webstores of various manufacturers of metal ACW minatures.

As well as definitely getting some Perry metal figures (generals, artilery & dismounted cavalry) I will probably also eventually pick some units from Sash & Saber and Redoubt.

For now I am waiting (impatiently) for the club's plastic infantry boxsets to arrive. With 2-3 boxsets I shall soon be commanding 4-5 units (regiments if play WAB, brigades if play Fire & Fury). That should keep me painting for a while!!

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:37 pm 
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I've played Fire and Fury - I think it was one of my favourite wargaming experiences to be honest. That was largely due to the fact the fellow who ran the games was very into the history so the scenarios were almost a history lesson!

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 9:28 pm 
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I've played Fire and Fury - I think it was one of my favourite wargaming experiences to be honest. That was largely due to the fact the fellow who ran the games was very into the history so the scenarios were almost a history lesson!

Hi Colin

If you are interested in doing ACW you should speak to Laurie next time you are down at Nightowls. Basically the club has decided to invest in some of the Perry plastic ACW infantry. We'll just jave to assemble them & paint them up.

The one thing I would want for ACW ruleset is to be able to use the same basic rulest for Napoleonics. The Perry's have announced that their next 28mm plastics will be French Napoleonics. And given that Victrix will be releasing 28mm hard platic British Napoleonics then this will be a 3rd era that will be cheap & accessible withg new 28mm plastics.

What army did you field for Fire & Fury?

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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 12:19 pm 
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There was one guy at a club I used to go to who would bring all the figures and put on scenarios for others to play - very intricately researched, very much a new style of play for me when I was fresh out of 2nd Ed 40k.

I played the Union once but was mostly giving out the rebel yell! There is something about rubbish cannons, naff muskets and no shoes that makes them the underdogs and thus appealing. Oh and having far less men.

The biggest games we played were the 1st day of gettysburg and the 3rd day - the 3rd day was on about 16' of board if I remember rightly, and it only covered one flank!

One of the reasons I am still interested in Fire and Fury is I like the size of the battles. Brigade level lets you fight huge, huge battles - basically the full actual engagements. I do like the whole historical scenario deal which is what fire and fury is based around





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