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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:37 am 
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Hi Crunch,

I prefer WAB to WMA.

I've found it easier to find used armies for WAB than WMA.

Now, plain Warmaster Fantasy has a good secondary market, but 10mm Ancients still haven't really caught on in a big way.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:19 am 
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I'm getting tempted more and more each day by those plastics.  My wife will probably hate me when they're released.  I'm really curious to see Field of Glory and how it plays.

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Me too. I dont want to like FoG, and all indications are that it may not be the game for me. However, I remember a while ago, when it was still called Art of War, that there was a web page with a load of notes and concepts for the game. I really liked what I read there... does anyone know where this is, have a copy of it, or know if this list has been dropped in the final version?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:45 pm 
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I nearly pre-ordered FOG from amazon as they have it listed at ?16.50 ish! I managed to resist as I've not played WAB yet and I've had the rules for the best part of 6 months!


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:16 pm 
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My mouse is hovering over the 'Buy Now' button too... So tempting! I assume that the price wont go up after release, and then I will have some more information about it.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:45 pm 
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From what I've heard yes the price likely will be going up after release, same on the army list books.

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Dammit. Now look what you made me do... My mouse slipped and I 'accidently' ordered the rule book... and the Roman book... and the Greeks.  ???

Amazon says that they wont arrive until the middle of April, though.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:54 pm 
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Thats when the Greek book is due out. Contact amazon and see if they sill split the shipping...still tempted to get the rules and republican books, but do I need 3 sets of ancients rules?


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:01 pm 
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Ah ha! Many thanks for that. I have split my order into the core rule book first, and the two force books together later in mid-April. So, I still get both on free delivery.

This means that I will need to wait for the Rome book to catch up with the Greek book to be released, but I will get the rule book on release (and the Rome book doesnt have 'my' Dacians in it, so I dont mind waiting  :(  ). I hope that the core book will give the basing sizes, so I can work those out before even having the force books.

I always like to have a couple of rules sets to give myself options, and Vis Bellica will probably always be my set of choice, but Field of Glory will replace Armati II as my second set.

If you are worried about a third rules set, I already have...

- Vis Bellica
- Armati II
- Warrior

And now this. At least with Ancients and Historical sets, you can still use the same figures. Getting two science fiction sets means two sets of miniatures!

Anyway, sorry for hijacking this thread. We now return you to your regular, scheduled broadcast...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:05 am 
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From the FOG forum I think the standard is 60x20 or 60x30. Forum is at FOG Forum. Damn, still tempted and I can get the Republican book to match my unpainted WAB force :(


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From the FOG forum I think the standard is 60x20 or 60x30. Forum is at FOG Forum. Damn, still tempted and I can get the Republican book to match my unpainted WAB force :(

If you're talking about base sizes then FOG uses DBx basing.
60mm frontage by varying depth.

WAB armies can be mostly made to fit by using sabot bases.

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Is the depth totally relevant? As I have WAB and WMA armies based allready can I get away with everything on 20mm depths?

Well I ordered the rules anyway, can't have too many rules....can you?


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Is the depth totally relevant? As I have WAB and WMA armies based allready can I get away with everything on 20mm depths?

Depth not as important as width no, but you probably want things on sabot bases for ease of play... ie magnetise them and stick them on bases of the correct size seems to be what most people do.

Depth is 20mm for heavy foot, 30mm for light foot, 40-80 for various mounted, up to 120 for war wagons etc.

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(CyberShadow @ Feb. 07 2008,22:01)
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Anyway, sorry for hijacking this thread. We now return you to your regular, scheduled broadcast...

Or, possibly, not. ?:blush:  Sorry Serg.

After searching around I found that the Dacians will be featured in book five, due out in June... so that is preordered too. My only consolation is that I probably wont want the next book, whatever it is. I seem only to want to pick up the odd numbered ones!

Also, I did a quick search on the FoG boards and found the basing. 60mm frontage for 28mm troops. I will be using this base size for all troops, no matter what scale.

Basing is one of the things that really irritates me about DBx. It is real hurdle for new wargamers and I think is mostly unneccesary.

I made a concious decision a while ago to pretty much throw any basing restrictions out of the window. I will be basing everything using VBs basing for 15mm - whether this is VB 6mm stuff or even FoG 10mm. I just cant be bothered to worry about base depths and buying in about four different sizes of bases.

In VB 15mm, base frontage is 60mm and there are two types of bases only - standard troops with a 40mm depth (I think) and square 40mm commander bases. Nice and simple. It also allows you to get 10-12 15mm troops on a base, so it actually looks more like a unit. And, when I get my 6mm Greeks on the same bases, I can get four ranks of about 6-8 troops each. Now that is a unit. Put four of these together for a FoG battlegroup and it is starting to look interesting. ?:blues:

Sorry for ranting, but I also have a question. As far as I understand it, the base actually represents the area of ground covered by the unit and the figures just let you know what the unit is. If this is the case, why bother with changing the ground scale when you change the figure scale? It should not matter at all what scale the figure is on the base, and the base size and ground scale should always be the same.

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Anyway, sorry for hijacking this thread. We now return you to your regular, scheduled broadcast...

Or, possibly, not.  :blush:  Sorry Serg.

After searching around I found that the Dacians will be featured in book five, due out in June... so that is preordered too. My only consolation is that I probably wont want the next book, whatever it is. I seem only to want to pick up the odd numbered ones!

Also, I did a quick search on the FoG boards and found the basing. 60mm frontage for 28mm troops. I will be using this base size for all troops, no matter what scale.

Basing is one of the things that really irritates me about DBx. It is real hurdle for new wargamers and I think is mostly unneccesary.

I made a concious decision a while ago to pretty much throw any basing restrictions out of the window. I will be basing everything using VBs basing for 15mm - whether this is VB 6mm stuff or even FoG 10mm. I just cant be bothered to worry about base depths and buying in about four different sizes of bases.

In VB 15mm, base frontage is 60mm and there are two types of bases only - standard troops with a 40mm depth (I think) and square 40mm commander bases. Nice and simple. It also allows you to get 10-12 15mm troops on a base, so it actually looks more like a unit. And, when I get my 6mm Greeks on the same bases, I can get four ranks of about 6-8 troops each. Now that is a unit. Put four of these together for a FoG battlegroup and it is starting to look interesting.  :blues:

Sorry for ranting, but I also have a question. As far as I understand it, the base actually represents the area of ground covered by the unit and the figures just let you know what the unit is. If this is the case, why bother with changing the ground scale when you change the figure scale? It should not matter at all what scale the figure is on the base, and the base size and ground scale should always be the same.

People want as many figures on a base in 25mm as the 15mm scale, that means they have to use bigger bases - hence the ground scale changes. However 6mm players generally use 15mm base sizes and double or quadruple the number of figures on each base - ie they keep the same ground scale as you suggest (and it looks good!).

Also the bases actually represent the unit plus some extra space before and behind it. The base sizes are all overly deep compared to what the unit size is, simply because the figures take up that much room, ie it's a practical measure.
That's also why in DBx skirmishers in base contact are not actually in hand to hand combat, they will just be at effective missile range (which was still very close historically otherwise they wouldn't have enough power in the shot - ie horse archers would gallop past heavy infantry at 20 paces and the arrows would go straight through a roman shield at that range, and the infantry couldn't catch them either).

Your plan for using V&B should work fine for DBx, not so sure about FOG yet but pretty sure that would be fine too. In fact if you were to keep track of casualties etc with dice or something it would also work for WAB.

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