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The Return of Adeptus Titanicus

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:34 pm 
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I wouldn't expect to see any old models. Should the molds still exist it's questinable whether they are still usable - they will not get better over the years and the machines they were meant for will not longer exist.
To make them compatible or rework the will be more expensice than doing them a new.

A real 6mm scale miniature is very thin and easy to break. One of the reasons why we've got heroic citadel miniatures is that making those swords, bows and weapons in real scale stand the hardship of playing, would have been difficult at that time. Remember spears not cast, but replaced by metal rods ?

Doing 8mm makes sense from a design view if you want to increase detail and still want to have models that can be used to play.

The poses and weapons of 6mm miniatures are always dictated by how rasily it breaks.

I doubt GW will change the scale just to spite Epic players. And the change of scale will generate probably just as much sales by Epic Players as keeping the scale.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:02 pm 
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xerxeshavelock wrote:
So the latest rumour says plastic terrain but no plastic figures. That just doesn't sit right with me. Possible? Sure. Are they doing lots of new things? Definitely. But a box set with rules and scenery screams 'use your old figures' - which is exactly what they don't want to encourage. I can't imagine the strategy meeting where they sign of on a plastic scenery sprue but not any figures.


Yeah, I agree.

I expected resin rather than plastic, but still, they can't hook us on 8mm unless buying the rules also gets us 2-4 Titan models that blow the old ones away.

If the Warlord is Thanatar-sized, though (and it would be at that scale) then price will be an issue. The Thanatar is about US$90.


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Blood Bowl is getting a beautiful all plastic release that will be in every GW store up and down the country and this one will be... FW exclusive?

It's so weird.

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Umm Blood Bowl is HUGE so no, not strange at all. Like of all the SG, it's by far the largest and most active game with large international tournaments (as in upwards of 200 attendees at some of the biggest) and has been thriving with multiple figure sources (as basically Rugby/American Football in Fantasy isn't at all IP protectable so it's the wild west)... Unlike this rebooted AT, it will sell and be sold out immediately, mark my words.

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yep also the BB computer games were/are pretty popular I gather


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ffoley wrote:
yep also the BB computer games were/are pretty popular I gather


Oh yes! FUMBBL is going strong and BB got followed up with BB2 so that's saying something about how popular that particular specialist game still is :)


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One of the Heresy podcasts I listened too recently (the imperial truth) talked about this game a little. They had spoken to the designer at the forgeworld open day (or whatever event it was) and the main take-aways for me were:
Plastic models in the boxed set.
Knights and the three classes of Titans.
The 8mm scale was chosen to differentiate the various modern knight chassis more easily on the tabletop.
Rules were new, but based on the older Adeptus Titanicus, with a heavy emphasis on resource management.

When I'm not in transit and back in the real world I'll try and find which episode it was.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:38 pm 
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The 8mm scale was chosen to differentiate the various modern knight chassis more easily on the tabletop.


Doubleplus bullshit - that is, I don't dispute that's what was told the source, but it's bullshit to believe that's the real rule.

We know what 6mm knights look like on the tabletop.


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Must agree with todd 6mm knights are easily recognisable on the tabletop no need to change the scale.


No one does 8mm scale sci fi or 8mm at all as far as I know this is why 8mm was chosen. Haven't got a problem with an 8mm titans game as long as they did a proper release in 6mm for epic in general but that won't happen if this game survives it will become the new scale for future epic releases/games. Two fingers up to all use longterm epic collectors/gamers the people who have kept epic alive all these years.

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Well, keep in mind that 8mm space marines could easily be true scale space marines compared to 6-7mm human infantry. :D

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Yes mate true enough but they are not talking space marines specifically here they are talking scale which would be a regular human's size.

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malika2 wrote:
Well, keep in mind that 8mm space marines could easily be true scale space marines compared to 6-7mm human infantry. :D



I've been saying that since the scale was announced. Nobody wants to listen, they just want to bitch.

The game is never going to get popular enough for them to do infantry. We're just going to get true scale titans and knights.

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moredakka wrote:
Yes mate true enough but they are not talking space marines specifically here they are talking scale which would be a regular human's size.


Where have they said that? IIRC they claimed a regular Space Marine will be that size. Keep in mind that GW/FW will most likely stick to Space Marines if they would even do infantry.

Look at FW's Horus Heresy stuff, how much non-Space Marine stuff (infantry wise) is there besides the Solar Auxilia?

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Is it too late to quickly re-brand as 6 mm/8 mm scales? :P In many ways, wargaming scales are very arbitrary (and who's to say we know how tall people are in the future in any case?). But it would be nice to have a collection that's at least approximately internally consistent. Perhaps the recent interest in community opinion and presence of designers at other events can be an avenue for people to at least discuss scale with them? Who knows, it might have a subtle effect and the designers might get away with 8 mm Tactical Marines but Epic-scaled non-Astartes?

It's interesting that there don't seem to be any major, well-known titan miniature games at the moment. I really hope that they do a cracker job on this one but at the least maybe it'll (re-)stimulate community interest in making another one?

Like others have said, I think plastic starting titans would be ideal: plastic is easy to modify and build with, and is cheap en masse (as well as being a hole in the market). Like with how Warhammer Fantasy and 40K should have been, mass produce the common things in cheaper plastic, and make the 'character' or rare and unusual things in more expensive resin (as metal was in the old days).

Aside from titans and certain Xenos species, I think the alternative market has really burgeoned thanks to the likes of @moredakka; I think this market will continue (and hopefully increase!) because of the relatively stable niche it currently has and because of the high quality of releases. And current producers will already get a head start if they make it a titan-only release since people will have to go somewhere for infantry and tanks... ;)


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I have to agree with md - the differentiating knights thing sounds like bs. If you can tell two 28mm figs apart on a table then you can with a handful of knights.

I think there may be a technical consideration though. Modern CAD sculpted 6mm infantry really only seems to work in metal. And GW dont do metal anymore. Resin is too fragile (which forgeworld is well aware of since their last foray into epic) and even plastic needs crazy proportions to be injection molded and playable (as many a mk1 guardian can prove).

As this is probably being sold to the management as a "little sideline in resin" at the moment, then the designers probably can't say what they would like to do with the whole range, but it shows ambition. If it goes plastic great - but it would need to be mainstream GW to fund the moulds - if not then they can produce something of high quality in 8mm. I understand the frustration of some to not to go up 10mm, but i guess they are trying to keep the titans "affordable" (ish).

The variable scale has been an issue in epic for 30 odd years. Assuming it has another 30 to go, hopefully they are setting a standard which they can stick to whichever way the range goes (5 more editions...)


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