We still seem to get new players here ... regardless ... so ... I doubt that will slow up ... Epic in still sold in large numbers on eBay also ...

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Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

Like chess? This will be fun. Any game researchers out there? I would love to read a paper on this transition from single publisher to community based marketsupplied organisation.

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Nitpicks Knapsack (Scratchbuilding and 3D designing and printing and painting)

Actually I came to E:A in exactly that way, was an epic player in the early 90s then fell out of it after college and all my friends moved on to new things, as did I, it was only a few years ago that I decided to check out epic again and ended up joining the community here and making some damn good friends

I doubt I'm the only one..... we get guys looking at tournaments and saying "oh yeah I played epjc back in the day, didnt know they still do it...."

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On finding new players:
FWIW, last night at one of the local club's gaming night spots, I found 4+ MORE players interested in playing Epic in the Northern Virginia area. Some were long ago players and two were new and had never heard of it other than through my posts on their forum and through discussion that night.

Finding more players for a game (e.g. AD&D) was possible back when there were no websites (some of you may not know that there was a time when there were no websites, at all.) It came from word of mouth and simply one friend introducing another to a great past time.

On rushing to write new rulebook:
Separate and apart from GW taking down the PDFs (for all we know, they might put them up again in 2 years!), I recommend a steady approach to such a large under-taking and do not see the recent GW removal of PDFs as a cause for rushing forward with the project.

If we need a new rule book, then we need one, the GW removal of the PDFs has nothing to do with that other than removing a barrier for the project to start, if such a project necessarily should start.

My contributions that I can comfortably commit to:
1) will participate in our community, therefore helping to keep it alive
2) will bring in new players, therefore helping to keep our community alive
3) will help assemble a new rulebook if community leaders decide we need one, therefore helping to keep our game alive

ps. I can also commit to:
4) will often and frequently throw absolute crap dice in effect giving you the game but not before a nail-biting brinkmanship to the end!
5) will err on the side of having fun and not give a $@#^ about a rules confusion!

Hi!

Platinum is not available yet, we are making it NOW on these forums in the net epic section. It's in its early phases, but the points formula and new formation paradigms have been laid out. It's all a matter of putting it together.

Primarch

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Hi!

Yes. We have been reviewed by GW many, many times over the last 17 years. We are still going because we have followed the guidelines they themselves laid out:

1. No copy paste. The rules were re-written in our own words from scratch.

2. Don't use ANY GW illustrations or pictures. This is a BIG no-no.

3. Standard disclaimer that IP belongs to GW, yadda-yadda.

Three simple rules we have followed.

I see no reason E:A couldn't follow them too.

Primarch

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Hi!

I wouldn't say that Cyber.

While they could jump out of nowhere and try to shut us down, but having done nothing to us for 17 years would not look good in court. I don't think they want another Chapterhouse.

You did allude to what I think would be the heavier lift though. That's making any sort of consensus that a good chuck of players would accept.

Primarch

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Hi!

This is where Net Epic has the edge.

We are a close knit community that while we don't see eye o eye on all things, we've been able to get things done.

In the end you need a leader that can balance every ones likes, dislikes and make sure no one group or view swallows the project. Also that person makes sure things get pushed forward and progress is made (even it is slow). In other words you someone to do what I have done for net epic for 17 years.

Of course if you can't decide on army lists, choosing a leader may be a bridge too far. But if there is no person or group of persons to take on the task, things will never materialize.

Primarch

Primarch

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I don't see the community re-writing the EpicA rulebook without GW IP nor would I want them to. Hopefully we can keep the Net-EA tournament pack and compendium up as we have been with no problems (they haven't objected up till now).

I agree with others in that the art and background of 40k is a strong attraction to the game and I prefer to focus on gaming with armies from the existing GW background. Personally I have no desire in adding rules for other companies ranges.

Why would you worry? If someone makes yet another list, what does that matter? In my view the proliferation of lists of various crucialities is a bad thing, but it is already here, innit?

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Nitpicks Knapsack (Scratchbuilding and 3D designing and printing and painting)

GW is not sending Commissars or Kill Tms to your games to see what you are playing, what rules, what figures, etc., etc., etc. ... Do what works for you ... Since many/most gamers don't go to GW gaming events, it makes no difference what game, rules, models etc., you are using in you local game group/club/gang/mob, etc. ... If my couple gaming pals in the "metropolis" of Youngstown , OHIO USA are playing modified gaming rules, using GW, CinC, Old Crow, EW, etc. models to play our version of 6mm sci-fi rules ... I very strongly doubt the GW Kill Tms will stop by to cleanse the Heretics ... So please ... again, who cares what GW does ... TOO MANY OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE ... rules, figures, etc., etc. ... Unless you are a rabid GW fan-boy, and if you are, you need therapy & meds ... so again FRAKK GW !!!! MWAAAAHAHAHA !!!! < fad to black >

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Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

Wasn't a re-write / version 2 of EA exactly what Exodus Wars were touting about in beta a year or two back?

Must admit i was a little sceptical at the time (though in the spirit of cc : j didn't think the re-write distanced itself enough from the freely available EA rules to stand alone aas a product.) However with gw pulling out of epic rules and models surely the time is right to release that rule set?

In the intervening time i have also see a little more of the rough edges of EA and can see the advantage that a central "authority" might have in ironing out some of the issues.

On a side note however, if a site was to host the EA rules i would be very wary of promoting "other" ip as compatable in any way officially - knowing how gw hates having its models photographed with any other manufacture's this would sound like just the invite for a c&d.