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 Post subject: Re: Armyforge Update (Online EA Force Creator)
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:31 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Armyforge Update (Online EA Force Creator)
PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:47 am 
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Can I make a suggestion about playtest versions? I've spent an inordinate amount of my professional life thinking about versioning and link persistence so it comes naturally (yeah, I have an exciting life).

Basically each time an "incompatible" change is introduced it breaks saved links, so to avoid this whilst also tackling the 'playtest list' issue you could include a version tag in the JSON filename (and hence the URL) in the same way as is done for the list type (NetEA/EpicUK etc). A new one can therefore be introduced when there are changes that alter the structure of the list. Old lists will therefore be preserved but the chooser doesn't have to show them all - just update the links on the chooser page to always point to e.g. the latest stable and playtest versions. Or maintain that link as JSON in its own right.

This would allow me to also link back to army builder for lists used in the battle tracker. Currently this won't work as lists change over time.

The other thing it does is it encourages (enforces, even) good practice in list versioning that has always been an issue during list development. It also allows the version of the list to be automatically incorporated into the heading rather than relying on humans to update it manually.

The number of files will increase so it's probably a good idea to introduce a directory structure at the same time (if it's done deterministically old links can be redirected.

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 Post subject: Re: Armyforge Update (Online EA Force Creator)
PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:07 am 
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Also with stats, I did start a project that stored these as structured JSON data and rendered them, plus of course the tournament pack has them for approved lists (seeded by miniwars I think). I'd rather see this in armyforge where the users actually are but I've always thought it would be great if we can establish this as a network of compatible components all built on the same consistent data. One can easily imagine a tool for list champions that makes it trivial to create TP-style documents whilst also maintaining the central record of list stats. It can even make explicit the relationships between the units across lists (eg "which other lists use the thunderbolt"?).

A couple of years back I did quite a lot of thinking about this and drafted a rough architecture (I am a 'data on the web' specialist professionally), will see if I can dig it out. I am sure there are lots of software people in our community - enough to make this a shared project...

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:29 pm 
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Ok, my plan for the next pull request is:
1) Next version of Solar Auxilla for HH,
2) Necron fleet list for BFG as a PoC,
3) Implement latest changes to Legion Astartes HH,
4) Also I am thinking of adding a Badab War "generic chapter" army list.


So (1) and (3) are done. Pullrequests #23.
@1 - Basically I've added a new list basing on the wiki and kept the old one.
@3 - It is just point values update. Breachers(LINE), Scimitars and Javelins are 25 pts. cheaper.

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 Post subject: Re: Armyforge Update (Online EA Force Creator)
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:01 pm 
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@Kyrt i like your ideas and they align well to my plans. a few goals are...

* decoupled list/unit representation (ideally cross-references would be canonical urls)
* json schema (at least for list definitions and perhaps list instances)
* semantic versioning of schema and lists
* semantic urls for lists (eg. sub-resource for each version; '.../latest')
? decoupled unit/equipment (ie. weapon) representation (not too sure about this one would suit some systems and not others.

there's a balance between system specific and generic schema but there's no reason this couldn't support lots of different game systems and different types of application.

the first step is really splitting the current project into 3 parts: EA lists, schema/processing, builder app. the current code is ancient so needs updating to es6 and a decent front-end framework.

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 Post subject: Re: Armyforge Update (Online EA Force Creator)
PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:35 am 
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If I were to suggest JSON-LD would that mean anything to you? Some of the data could be relatively well modelled as a graph, but still serialised in JSON. Main points: 1. URIs for identifiers, 2. the relationships between data are made explicit semantically in the data itself. LD also has no problem mixing generic and application schemas (is designed for it in fact).

Might be best by example?

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 Post subject: Re: Armyforge Update (Online EA Force Creator)
PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:40 am 
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that's a cool idea. add it to the list...

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 Post subject: Re: Armyforge Update (Online EA Force Creator)
PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:24 am 
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hi,
and great work with Arm forge such a great page and so much fun composing armies on this site.

My next project is S. M Iron Hands.
So cool and a little odd.
When building my army on army forge the Demi Company thats in the army list dosent show up ( neither does the Warlock, them I dont see as necessary thou ) but the extra troopers to beef up the company with the Demi upgrade seemed like spot on.
So is this something thats been taken away and Ive missed it in posts or updates?


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:09 pm 
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I also notice some other differences in the army forge vs. the army list ex, Clan mobile fortress, extra upgrades whirlwinds.
So my question is and I dont aim to offend anybody :) but when building the I. H army on paper and in minis and go out to battle opponents...do I use Jimmy Zimms army list or army forge?
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 Post subject: Re: Armyforge Update (Online EA Force Creator)
PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:25 pm 
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Always use the latest list version in the relevant army threads, check the list version against armyforge just in case you are looking at an older list version (I thought Apocolocyntosis was the IH AC?)

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 Post subject: Re: Armyforge Update (Online EA Force Creator)
PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:18 pm 
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thanks for reply, so latest army list instead of or before army forge
Im looking at Iron Hands Chapter army list v.1.0
and it reads :
Space Marine Army champion not Jimmy Zimms :)
so U are copmletely right.

I believe the list Im looking at should be the latest, but Im gladely pointed in right direction.
If the list Im looking at is the latest, would you consider making changes in army forge to match it
but before that I guess I should scout for other list that you pointed out.


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raundall, check the link in my signature to go to the full series of lists and ACs. Look for the Index Astartes post on the top.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:02 pm 
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will do Jimmy...wrote in that topic...also.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:27 pm 
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So is it the same stats for the army as in Iron Hands 1.0 and for the Ironclad dread I look in the post for Iron Hands?


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 Post subject: Re: Armyforge Update (Online EA Force Creator)
PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:55 pm 
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Let's try and keep this thread for actual ArmyForge not list unit discussion and take this over to the list thead. (Unless I'm not understanding the actual question)

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