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Changes in GW-verse Fluff Tone!
dafrca	Post subject: Changes in GW-verse Fluff Tone! Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 5:55 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 6:02 pm Posts: 10956 Location: Burbank, CA, USA	In another thread, the subject has come up about how GW has toned down or lightened up the background. Some of the darker aspects seem to have been dropped. Do you agree or disagree? What changes have you seen? Dafrca _________________ "Every Man is a But Spark in the Darkness"               - Cities of Death, page 59 Come fight me, if you dare...... http://dd-janks.mybrute.com
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CyberShadow	Post subject: Changes in GW-verse Fluff Tone! Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 7:51 pm
Swarm Tyrant Joined: Thu Jan 02, 2003 6:22 pm Posts: 9338 Location: Singapore	I am one of those sad guys who has been in the GW hobby for far too long. I have Rogue Trader and both the Relms of Chaos books knocking around somewhere, along with Space Marine, Titan Legions, et al. Right now, for me, the 40K aspect is at a mid point. It is not as Gothic as it started out, and I really do like the old versions of the background and feeling of the games. Still, it radically went the other way about the time of 2nd Ed Epic and I hated that, so I am fairly ok with it by now. I do feel that the game and background has moved too far from technology, to the point that torpedoes are loaded by hand (or large teams of hands) in Gothic and other such things. I would prefer a more sci-fi aspect to the whole thing. _________________ https://www.cybershadow.ninja - A brief look into my twisted world, including wargames and beyond. https://www.net-armageddon.org - The official NetEA (Epic Armageddon) site and resource.
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Chris	Post subject: Changes in GW-verse Fluff Tone! Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 8:39 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Wed Jan 15, 2003 6:42 pm Posts: 2412	I think EoT will change the tone of it all...But only if it is a total victory for Imperial or Chaos, minor victories won't do much... If Chaos wins totally, I think the Gothic nature you speak of will return, but if Imperial totally wins, we will have a much lighter, Chaos and Gothic-free galaxy. Cheers, Chris. _________________ Chris
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dafrca	Post subject: Changes in GW-verse Fluff Tone! Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 10:32 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 6:02 pm Posts: 10956 Location: Burbank, CA, USA	I started out with the original Rogue Trader. I remember such things as the Emperor eating many souls a day to stay alive. These kinds of details gave the overall background a very dark and sinister feel. Now it seems like it has gone Comic book like. dafrca _________________ "Every Man is a But Spark in the Darkness"               - Cities of Death, page 59 Come fight me, if you dare...... http://dd-janks.mybrute.com
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stormseer	Post subject: Changes in GW-verse Fluff Tone! Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 10:44 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 9:52 pm Posts: 4598 Location: Suffolk, UK.	I think, the Emperor still eats souls, I'm fairly sure that thats mentioned in the 40k rulebook, and John Blanche's artwork is still superbly grim and gothic.. The Inquisition are not portrayed as being particularly 'good' in my opinion; sure, they purge heretics, etc., but they are all very dark figures, hiding many secrets, and not always, it seems, working for the Imperium's best interests... They seem to be figures of dread in most 40k fiction, not individuals that are welcomed with rejoicing in a community they enter.... _________________ www.darkrealmminiatures.com
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Tas	Post subject: Changes in GW-verse Fluff Tone! Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2003 3:11 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Mar 06, 2003 10:01 am Posts: 7823 Location: Sydney, NSW	I agree- the fluff has changed substantially since I got RT those years ago. ?In somes ways it has developed and fleshed some bits out, but in other areas it has stagnated. ? Remember the Slann? ? Imperial Penal and Beastmen Regiments? ? Ahh... ? Then there was the squats etc. etc. Anyhow... It is strange that as the fluff has changed to make the Imperium a brighter less Gothic place while at the same time the alien and chaos threats have increased. One would have thought that in dire times, the Inquisition and buddies would have clamped down tighter. I like the fluff. I've said before they we all must do to some extent or we'd be off playing other more realistic 6mm Sci-Fi games. But it's the inconsistencies and dramatic changes that really annoy me. Especially when its just a case of GW writers not being aware of whats already been done on a particular topic. _________________ Tas My General blog: http://tasmancave.blogspot.com/ My VSF Blog: http://pauljamesog.blogspot.com/ My ECW Blog: http://declaresir.blogspot.com/
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Legion 4	Post subject: Changes in GW-verse Fluff Tone! Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2003 5:36 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:13 pm Posts: 36947 Location: Ohio - USA	Yes, being an Epic player since '90, I have see many, many changes, as you all have mentioned.  It has become a bit more like a Comic book and less dark/Gothic in recent years.  I'd prefer, like CyberShadow, a little more Sci-fi, but we can't get too far away from the Gothic roots.  But like many things from G/W, who knows ?   _________________ Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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MaksimSmelchak	Post subject: Changes in GW-verse Fluff Tone! Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2003 4:42 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:43 pm Posts: 7258 Location: Sacramento, California, USA	Sure, the GW-verse has been toning down in many ways, but look at this: We now have the Gestapo-like Inquistion... Abhumans are slowly disappearing... SMs are becoming even bigger bullet heads... Xenoforms are multiplying and organizing like mad... The "original" TM death race, the Necrons, are back with their "star gods"... However, having said that, I feel that things have mostly taken a turn for the worse. Eliminating the Squats took an immense amount of color from the GW-verse and the constant game-based culling of the armies is just plain annoying. I wish the story would develop more than the game... Shalom, Maksim-Smelchak. _________________ 6mm Sci-fi: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/6mm ... nWarGames/ My Personal Blog: http://6mm-minis.blogspot.com/
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Jimbo

Post subject: Changes in GW-verse Fluff Tone! Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2003 6:11 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:01 pm Posts: 3495 Location: Wessex

Quote (MaksimSmelchak @ 04 2003 July,16:42) Sure, the GW-verse has been toning down in many ways, but look at this: We now have the Gestapo-like Inquistion... We have always had the Inquisition. Rogue Trader Book, page 133, has a comment and there is a whole section on pages 142-145 that includes stats and equipment (or to quote there is no item of equipment which is unavilable to the Inquisition ). Xenoforms are multiplying and organizing like mad... I would have said you are right about the organising, but the Rogue Trader book is full of Xenomorphs... - Crotalids - Catachan Face-Eaters - Zombies (they're back now in EoT) - Ambulls - Gyrinx And not forgetting: - Gas Fungus To name but only a few of the many alien lifeforms listed. It's difficult to say how things are changed, but having both the Rogue Trader and WH40K3 rulebooks, I would have to say on balance that in my opinion the tone has changed and it is lighter... and I mean on balance, some things are darker and some things are lighter. _________________ Jimbo Felix's Gaming Pages Felix's Gaming Pages Blog Almost Always Right...

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MaksimSmelchak

Post subject: Changes in GW-verse Fluff Tone! Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2003 7:43 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:43 pm Posts: 7258 Location: Sacramento, California, USA

Jimbo, We have always had the Inquisition. You're right, of course (Aren't you always right?   ). I supposed what I should have said is that the inquisition is really getting fleshed out through novels, GW-"colour background" AKA fluff, and even the new Daemon Hunters army. Before, things were much more sketchy. The Inquisition was "gothic-horror" bad before, but they're heading towards "Nazi nastiness" horror now. The idea to name the head poobah after Torquemada is rather horrid in my book. It's just bad taste. I would have said you are right about the organising, but the Rogue Trader book is full of Xenomorphs...

I miss those guys. I think that GW is cutting away many of the xenoforms and abhumans that gave it more attraction value before.

Speaking of that, I, in bad judgement, traded away my Rogue Trader years ago, I'm looking for a copy again. If anyone can help, please PM me.

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.