Login |  Register |  FAQ
   
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 38 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3

Fanlist: Eldar Corsairs v0.1

 Post subject: Re: Fanlist: Eldar Corsairs v0.1
PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:23 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:24 pm
Posts: 8358
Location: Manalapan, FL
As in an upgrade being "Replace N of unit A with M of unit B" then?

Would make sense as a port to EA as that character in 40k is basically effecting a change to the single unit, or in EAs case one or more stands.

What does thee offending unit do now? (On a mobile and not good to read lists with)

_________________
The Artist Formerly Known As Marine Army Champion

-I HAVE NO POINT
-Penal Legion-Fan list
-Help me make Whitescars not suck!


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fanlist: Eldar Corsairs v0.1
PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:28 pm 
Hybrid
Hybrid
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:03 pm
Posts: 5996
Location: Leicester UK
Kyrt wrote:
I know it's only a fan list but urgh please no non-standard character shenanigans, you know how these things can end up setting a precedent. Adding a character should not change the armour of an entire unit, thats too much for epic even it works that way in 40K. Same with other stats, not everything has to be perfectly represented. If it really must be a completely transformed unit, can it not be a different unit?


Please can you explain what you mean? Are you referring to the void dreamer having a separate profile to the unit they are added to? In which case please see the daemon prince entry in *every* chaos list for an existing example of why this is no big deal

If it's about a character adding an ability to a unit, I refer you to the Tau ethereal character making a unit fearless while he is alive

Unless it's something else I've misunderstood?

_________________
NetEA Space Marine, Imperial Fists and Blood Angels Army Champion

NetEA Red Corsairs Army Champion

My hobby/painting threads

Army Forge List Co-ordinator


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fanlist: Eldar Corsairs v0.1
PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:39 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother

Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:15 am
Posts: 284
I assume no triple retain for this branch of Eldar.

That would mean that mean the Witch-sight, and hence the Void Dreamer character, is less valuable than a Farseer. Slightly compounded by losing the Leader from the Felarch. Although I happily admit that retaining on a 2+ instead of a 3+ is pretty useful.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fanlist: Eldar Corsairs v0.1
PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:01 am 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother

Joined: Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:43 pm
Posts: 2304
Location: UK
kyussinchains wrote:
Kyrt wrote:
I know it's only a fan list but urgh please no non-standard character shenanigans, you know how these things can end up setting a precedent. Adding a character should not change the armour of an entire unit, thats too much for epic even it works that way in 40K. Same with other stats, not everything has to be perfectly represented. If it really must be a completely transformed unit, can it not be a different unit?


Please can you explain what you mean? Are you referring to the void dreamer having a separate profile to the unit they are added to? In which case please see the daemon prince entry in *every* chaos list for an existing example of why this is no big deal

If it's about a character adding an ability to a unit, I refer you to the Tau ethereal character making a unit fearless while he is alive

Unless it's something else I've misunderstood?
Yes I mean characters cannot have basic stats. I'm saying if you want to give him his own stats then he can be a unit in his own right, which you replace another unit with. I don't play any chaos lists but checked a couple of CSM lists in the TP and both say the Daemon prince is type INF. The upgrade is to replace a unit with a Daemon prince unit - albeit you then also add a lord character (which doesn't have basic stats). So that looks normal to me. Does another chaos list do it differently? Either way I don't think it is a good precedent to have characters with stats as it is very confusing - characters add things, never replace. Otherwise those commissar shadowswords would be running round with zero armour.

(By the way adding abilities to units is absolutely fine, but not sure what you mean about the ethereal he is the one character that does not actually add fearless to his unit he adds it to the whole formation, similar to spirit stones i.e. a special rule.)

Edit: ah I see why you mention the ethereal, because of the farsight-a-like rule, you just meant formation not unit is all. Yep that works equally for units and characters alike (the farseer is an infantry unit not a character).

_________________
Kyrt's Battle Result Tracker (forum post is here)
Kyrt's trade list


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fanlist: Eldar Corsairs v0.1
PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:09 am 
Hybrid
Hybrid
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:03 pm
Posts: 5996
Location: Leicester UK
my mistake for using unit/formation interchangably..... I meant a formation ability like the ethereal and fearless

and the character upgrade is clearly (at least to me) meant to be a daemon prince style replacement, perhaps it's not written that way (the whole thing is riddled with errors) but the intent is that a void dreamer replaces the character stand, like a daemon prince does (the daemon prince replaces the character, not another stand so you can't have both)

_________________
NetEA Space Marine, Imperial Fists and Blood Angels Army Champion

NetEA Red Corsairs Army Champion

My hobby/painting threads

Army Forge List Co-ordinator


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fanlist: Eldar Corsairs v0.1
PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:49 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother

Joined: Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:43 pm
Posts: 2304
Location: UK
I think I get what you're saying but the Daemon prince doesn't replace the character, he does replace the unit - it's just that you must choose to replace the unit that has a character in it. The Daemon prince is an infantry unit, not a character, which means his stats and abilities completely replace those of the original unit rather than being added to them.

The felarch is a character but the void dreamer is not. So you need to either keep the void dreamer as a character, removing his armour etc, or change him to infantry and fix the wording on the upgrade to say 'replace the unit containing the felarch character with a void dreamer'. You don't intend for the void dreamer to end up with a missile launcher, right?

Either way I actually think the process itself, and thr chaos wording, is confusing and ambiguous. It could be construed that after replacing the unit, the lord character is retained in the Daemon prince unit but it is not clear. I personally don't read it that way but technically it doesn't say what happens to the character after you replace the unit he is part of.

_________________
Kyrt's Battle Result Tracker (forum post is here)
Kyrt's trade list


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fanlist: Eldar Corsairs v0.1
PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:59 am 
Hybrid
Hybrid
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:03 pm
Posts: 5996
Location: Leicester UK
okay we're getting into semantics right now, I'll edit the document to reflect that the void dreamer replaces the stand with the character entirely

I don't think there is any ambiguity to the chaos wording, certainly not the epicUK list, it clearly says replace the unit in the formation that includes the lord or sorcerer character with a daemon prince unit.... you could add that the abilities conferred by the replaced character are lost I suppose, but generally it's easier to use fewer words and a sensible, literal interpretation....

_________________
NetEA Space Marine, Imperial Fists and Blood Angels Army Champion

NetEA Red Corsairs Army Champion

My hobby/painting threads

Army Forge List Co-ordinator


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fanlist: Eldar Corsairs v0.1
PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:49 am 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother

Joined: Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:43 pm
Posts: 2304
Location: UK
Yes the epicuk chaos wording is much better.

Yep in this case the semantics change the outcome so glad to help clear it up. And keeps me in a day job too would you believe it. When you do the next update, the other harlie specials are also INF by the way I believe. Basically the ones with an armour value.

Back onto the list: void dragon looks interesting


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

_________________
Kyrt's Battle Result Tracker (forum post is here)
Kyrt's trade list


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 38 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


Powered by phpBB ® Forum Software © phpBB Group
CoDFaction Style by Daniel St. Jules of Gamexe.net