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Author: | JJMicromegas [ Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Tell me about the Dark Eldar |
Hello, I am considering the Dark Eldar as my next list as I want a raiding / pirate type of force and also I really like the miniatures that Onslaught makes for proxies. I know nothing about them but have looked through the list and I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction regarding what units to bring, what not to bring and the low down on how they play? Thanks in advance. |
Author: | mordoten [ Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:01 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tell me about the Dark Eldar |
I would rtecommend the EpicUK list. Thats the one I'm using (only played 4 games with it though) and I think it's awesome. Can't say the same for the NetEA list which is not near as interesting and well made IMO. The DE is an assault list, and a very brittle one. You want to pick your targets and make sure you can hide your formations from incoming fire before and after assaults. If you get stuck in front of the enemy you're dead. Seriously, they die as easily as millenials gets offended. I would for sure bring two fully upgraded wych cults (with succubus and warp beasts) in slavebringers. One of the best assault formations in the game i think (yay first strike!). I like mandrakes and Vessel of pains too. Other than that I think the core option (warriors) are a great unit. So far I'm 3-1 (W/L) with the list and find it very fun to play! |
Author: | Dave [ Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tell me about the Dark Eldar |
You'll need at least a Coterie, 1-2 Syndicates and 0-1 Flotillas. The 6 Partisans can be whatever you like the most. I wouldn't label any of them "would not bring", you can make them all work with practice. The upgrades are costed prohibitively high though, those I would stay away from and use the points for more activations. Beyond those, the Spacecraft and Executioner don't tend to make it into 3k games here. The only time I remember seeing an Executioner was in a 4 person mega battle. Most of the games I've played involved the Kashnarak. For 50 points, it's a fun little addition that can be used to mess with your opponent's assaults that they have set up before they can do anything. It's also particularly enjoyable for the opponent when you mess up and it charges you. In terms of play-style, the list is similar to Eldar without the option for a double retain and 2x Inspiring units. So, a little more challenging than Eldar as you're still fragile. You're going to want to be setting up assaults and using your Hit & Run to bring in more support, and relying on terrain to keep your units alive. You will have the option of shedding BMs faster than Eldar though, as you can add leaders to your formations. |
Author: | Tiny-Tim [ Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tell me about the Dark Eldar |
Where as Eldar might be classed as a 'Glass Hammer' army, Dark Eldar should be seen more as a 'Crystal Sledgehammer'. They are very good at attacking on their own terms, but weak to the point of laughable at taking it back. You will need to be very cautious and launch lightning attacks to weaken your opponents. |
Author: | JJMicromegas [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tell me about the Dark Eldar |
Thank you all for the responses, particularly Dep for the detailed breakdown above. I still have some thinking to do about choosing my next faction but this helps a lot. I kind of like factions that are not uber and challenging to play. |
Author: | rubberlizard [ Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:47 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tell me about the Dark Eldar |
Very good breakdown indeed. Thinking of making an army myself at some point, how would a good allround 3000 point army look? |
Author: | Deb [ Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:41 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tell me about the Dark Eldar |
Here is a quite powerful list. Unfortunately it only has 9 activations, but between the 4 Razorwings (MW 3+ 1 each), the 3 Vessels of Pain (2 MW 3+ TK each), The 2 Barges of Pleasure (each has an AT5+ lance, and they have a combined 4BP Disrupt (short ranged though)), and finally the 13 Ravagers (each of which has 2 x AT5+ lance). All are skimmers or aircraft, and they all have good saves except the Barges of Pleasure although the armour is reinforced. Where possible the formations have a leader to help with Blast markers. The Vessels of Pain and the OMG super fast Reaver jetbikes only activate on a 2+, while the 2 flotillas and the Syndicate activate on a 1+. Kabals – 1550 Points 550 Points – Kalabite Syndicate – 6 x Kalabite Warrior (Inf), Achon (Inf Leader), Ravager (LV, Skimmer), 2 x Barge of Pleasure (WE, Skimmer) 625 Points – Kabal Flotilla – 6 x Ravager Hover Tanks (LV, Skimmer), Vessel of Pain, Sybarite 375 Points – Kabal Flotilla – 6 x Ravager Hover Tanks (LV, Skimmer), Sybarite Partisans – 900 Points 225 Points – Reaver Gang – 6 Reaver Jetbikes, Sybarite (Inf, Skimmer) 225 Points – Reaver Gang – 6 Reaver Jetbikes, Sybarite (Inf, Skimmer) 250 Points – Heavy Barger – 1 x Vessel of Pain (WE, Skimmer, 3DC, 2 Shadow fields) 250 Points – Heavy Barger – 1 x Vessel of Pain (WE, Skimmer, 3DC, 2 Shadow fields) Max of 1/3 of army points – 500 Points 250 Points – Razorwing Squadron – 2 x Razorwing F/Bombers 250 Points – Razorwing Squadron – 2 x Razorwing F/Bombers |
Author: | rubberlizard [ Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tell me about the Dark Eldar |
thanks |
Author: | Borka [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tell me about the Dark Eldar |
I play the netEA list as I find the lack of the titian in epicUK boring and unimaginative. I think it's a great unit. It's a beast in assaults if you can get it into CC. It has a 35cm move, so a great assault range. The last time I played them was at a tournament. They worked mostly well that time and I placed number 3, but as others have said they certainly can't take a beating. They are very brittle. I tried to use as few infantry as possible for that reason except for the incubi. They are awesome. I wouldn't play without at least one formation of ravagers. A formation of 6 puts out a tremendous amount AT-fire and can really hurt reinforced armor formations if used properly. They should preferably be deployed of board as they are LV and die like flies. Like others have said the vessel of pain is also a great unit. I've used 2-3 of them in my lists. |
Author: | Deb [ Tue Feb 07, 2017 8:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tell me about the Dark Eldar |
You will the changes to the Titan in the new test list. Although the list removes the ability to regenerate a shield at the end of the turn, the titan has an extra 3 shields to compensate for this. It now gets Splinter Missiles, which are a range 30cm 2 x AA 5+. Some ground based AA at last. Other than that it seems pretty much the same with a 5+ RA save, same move and critical, however I will have to get feedback from Jim about the Phantom Lances whether it is 2 shots or 4 shots. The vessel of pain seem good. It looks like the Flotillas will have a maximum of only 5 ravagers per formation. |
Author: | Scutarii [ Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tell me about the Dark Eldar |
http://epic-uk.co.uk/ukepicachampionship/albyr.php These are the tournament lists used in EpicUK. Of note is that there are more tournament games using a more 'refined' version of the list after the 2016 counter attack but weren't EpicUK tournaments (just used their lists) and are not included. As far as EpicUK is concerned the Warrior Kabals are great (as you can see every list has at least 2 of them) and lists generally don't deploy on the table. Instead it looks for vulnerable points in the enemy list and hammers them. Once the formation has appeared and done its bloody business the formation is generally written off - often too damaged in the process of annihilating the foe. These crippled formations tend to act as roadblocks to prevent the enemy moving freely, as objective contesters, as additional firefight support or just activation count buffing. Activation count is very important, you need to have the game tempo in your favour to launch your powerful attacks and the activation advantage is key for achieving that. Vessels of Pain help is establishing and keeping this - cripple and strip activations with them such as enemy scouts and chaff formations or destroy/suppress their ground based AA. You also need to focus on objectives. Think about how the move you are making scores you BTS, clears an objective, march blocks the enemy so they can't contest, etc. There is one major alternative style I've played against. It;s less reliable but has a real WTF hammer. Spaceship, Executioner, Vessels of Pain and everything is mounted inside the Executioner - bar some warrior kabals in the webway. You basically move, shoot with your entire army, remount and move again as a single activation. It's weird, effective but has reliability problems. |
Author: | Bhelliom [ Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:51 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tell me about the Dark Eldar |
Old thread, but I find myself in a similar situation. I'm not in the UK, so it seems to me that standard net ea lists are the best bet, but looking at upgrade costs I'm scratching my head. Basically, I bought and want to use some warp beasts, but 100 points for two units of them? Is there any world in which they're worth that much? |
Author: | fruitbat [ Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:38 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tell me about the Dark Eldar |
Should be 50 pts for the two units. Are you looking at v1.1? go here: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=31466 which takes you to: viewtopic.php?f=86&t=32142 |
Author: | Bhelliom [ Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Tell me about the Dark Eldar |
fruitbat wrote: Should be 50 pts for the two units. Are you looking at v1.1? go here: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=31466 which takes you to: viewtopic.php?f=86&t=32142 Hm, I was looking at the list here: http://tp.net-armageddon.org/army-lists/dark-eldar.html Is that now out of date? Seems to have been updated april of this year... |
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