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Fir Iolarion Eldar Titan Clan 4.2

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:22 pm 
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The Wraithlord Spiritseers can still summon the Avatar in the current list like they can in the Iyanden one. It is a very mean thing to do. >:D


Yes very true...

I like to see the guardians remove and add the wraith knights in, which are begin tested in the Yme-loc list..and also add the Farseer character from the Saim-hann and yme-loc, which would give the titian the ability to summon the Avatar, if given the upgrade....


Personally I would rather see the Avatar get the boot from this list but if he is going to stay then I'd rather he be only for wraiths. I could stand to see Wraithguard added though.


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Personally I would rather see the Avatar get the boot from this list but if he is going to stay then I'd rather he be only for wraiths. I could stand to see Wraithguard added though.


Yep that's another option....adding the wraith guard could prove interesting touch...

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:35 am 
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What about the 'old' Spirit Troupe? 3 Wraithgaurd and 3 Wraithlords OR Wave Serpents?

With a Spirtseer 350 points?


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:03 pm 
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An Eldar titan clan list most certainly does NOT need to be summoning an Avatar. Those, Guardians, they really don't speak of a titan list to me.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:57 am 
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An Eldar titan clan list most certainly does NOT need to be summoning an Avatar.


DK is right here I think. Why would a "Titan Clan" even have an Avatar? Aren't Avatars associated with craftworlds?

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So I have had battle versus this list with CAA trying out a few different options from his game against E&C last week.

With the festive period approaching I dug out my Vanaheim (and to field my new Lightnings) and then discovered that I was playing against Eldar Titans.

An interesting match up ensued which CAA plans to write up.

My main feeling on the list is that it has the same strengths and weaknesses that all the titan lists have in EA. Powerful when doing what they want to do and weak when swamped by forces with a greater number of activations.

I would probably try to max out on War Walkers to try and give my Powerfist Phantoms time to position and then hit enemy formations. A Warlock is a must for the Farsight if Guardians are dropped.

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I would probably try to max out on War Walkers to try and give my Powerfist Phantoms time to position and then hit enemy formations. A Warlock is a must for the Farsight if Guardians are dropped.


I've gotten to that point as well. 1 war walker formation for each other formation just to keep up activations and prevent scouts from ruining my day.


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I would probably try this:

Avatar
Warlock + Powerfist & Psychic Lance
Phantom + Powerfist & Powerfist + SWC
Guardians
War Walkers
War Walkers
War Walkers
War Walkers
War Walkers
Nightwings
Wraithship

Depending on how you can husband your forces there are two turns with 10 activations and one with 9.

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So posted battle report and noticed another typo on ref. the powerfist should have and/or on its extra attacks. I feel being able to spam cheap activations is a problem, being able to take 3 troupes per titan is to much as T-T has just pointed out. I did allot of testing on the AMTL epicuk which keeps it simple stupid, atm I think the eldar titans are too expensive but also the list needs to remove the bloat.

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Much appreciated for the game guys,

Yeah that's a typo was spotted earlier and since my pfe100 account got lost, so did the note to say it was cut and paste thing..on the power fist..

I would like to see the Support choice from 3 to 2 and if concern with walker maybe, make the formation 6 for 200 as default. I think also they are expensive(More to do with the weapons cost), but that's should be doable on adjusted the points.....bit of work, but doable.... :)

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I don't know if you have had thoughts on pricing the titans with their basic setup then adding or deducing points of weapon swaps (so 850 points for warlock with psychic lance/powerfist etc.), then pricing extras such as characters on top of that. The reason I would like less of the troupe choices is to encourage more titan use (it is the theme) and has there been thoughts on having the revenant twins as a warhost, it seems sensible.
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An Eldar titan clan list most certainly does NOT need to be summoning an Avatar.



DK is right here I think. Why would a "Titan Clan" even have an Avatar? Aren't Avatars associated with craftworlds?

I'm a bit sketchy on the fluff but is the Fir Iolarion not a craftworld?

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Not exactly but they are from a Craftworld. In Codex Titanicus and in WD #101 the craftworld Lugganath is mentioned as being home to the Fir Iolarion Titan clan where this list title and theme comes from.

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Yeah been nerding it on Lexicanum and found the one line reference with no explain, nice. I don't see why fir iolarion shouldn't be able summon avatar it's eldar after all and the clan is part of the still active Lugganath craftworld.

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I think the Forgeworld book's Eldar Titan Craftworld Mymerara have access to the Avatar in their army list, for what it's worth?

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Was wondering if that modern Eldar Knight GW sell might make a good fit for this army?

This guy. https://www.games-workshop.com/resource ... ight02.jpg

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