Hey Kyuss? Thank you. I understand explaining that to every two pence yahoo that comes along can be exhausting. My own experience with the list 3rd phase is that it dies to a stiff breeze, provides tools that can be used to solve a range of puzzles, and can do really well if you play your cards right, and are lucky enough.
And is, at least in my hands, a real struggle to win with with against certain lists - I'm pretty sure I haven't won a single game against IG with it. Artillery is a real problem, and there is no real counter. The Vior'la list does not solve this.
kyussinchains wrote:
it simply broadens the existing list, which does go against the 'mission statement' of Epic development of strongly themed lists
You're now arguing that making a new list must be focused, take away options from the old list as it's adding new ones.
Alright; and apologies; this could be fodder for another thread.
But I will say that to me, this is nothing short of absurd. I can see the point from a list builders view - it is likely to make the game easier to balance, but from a players perspective it's just .. a bad decision.
We need more diversity, more play styles, less rock-paper-scissors, less this lists counters that list, more actual tactics. One of the reasons I love my tau army is that it plays very tactically; it gives me interesting tactical puzzles to solve.
If the game is won when declaring factions, why then bother with the whole miniatures and dice thing?
This is exactly what new lists should be used for: Developing new formations, new tactics, honing them,
to be later folded into the old lists, for wider diversity on the table. Thus preserving the approval status of the old lists, yet allowing them to grow and evolve.
Limiting this stymies the game.
How does one go about changing that? How can a player make the devs see they're nailing the games foot to the ground?
Your formation concerns are Way more constructive that anything else brought up here so far.
So perhaps fireblade needs to be 50 points or more. I might disagree, but I'm just a player here. Perhaps the Supremacy needs to be limited to direct fire? have shorter range? These are concerns that can be addressed.
Just stating that this list expands on the old list, and should therefore be rejected out of hand, is regressive.
Sweeping assertions that the list needs to be less diverse is regressive. Sweeping assertions that to make something new, something old must be nerfed is regressive.
To answer a few players questions: Why should anyone play the 3rd phase list: Because it's approved, and thus tournament legal.
Why should anyone play the Vior'la list if it's not tournament legal? To play with different toys, and help hammer out the exact problems this discussion outlines.
It's getting late, you had questions, and I want to answer them, but, sorry, I can't now - we're going to bed. I promise I will come back as soon as I can.