That wasn't where my concept of theme came from, but I see what you are getting at and I don't think this would be a bad thing to implement.

That said, I've narrowed it down to three possibilities:

Ryza: this one seems interesting because of the plasma weapons and because it's been attacked by orks which would give us a basis to make the list flexible both for offense and defense.

Lucius: Origin of the Macharius which is nice, it's also tied to the pattern of titans that's available from FW and GW. Supplies Krieg so probably has access to mole mortars without stepping on the krieg versions. I think it also works well as a substitute for a Mars list since it's one of the more well known forgeworlds.

Gryphonne IV: this is the natural choice since the AMTL list is based on this world. It's also home of some of the best skitarii forces... at least until the nids came. Being dead now it's a little less exciting of a choice.

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Note I've edited my post to analyse a bit deeper into the lack of theme currently.

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My intent was that the theme was AdMech and that those particular units represented the AdMech better than other options which would help to differentiate the list from guard or other available lists. From what I can see in the available fluff, those units define what the AdMech is. It was the intent that you could take the list and assign any forgeworld to it and it would accurately represent the force composition found there.

The initial (and quite long list) doesn't represent all of the units that the list will have, just those that would fit within the theme of AdMech.

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I could be on a different page but that's how I've always viewed the list which Vaaish has been building, there's nothing he's listed so far which in my opinion doesn't belong in this army. I could be wrong but I didn't think that Vaaish had ruled out future alternative lists such as pdf however I think the defense laser idea would definitely belong in a pdf version rather than the one being developed right now.

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From my earlier post:


This is similar to where I was going if I understand what you are saying, this is basically the same concept as the Deployed force/on station you are suggesting but stated more concisely.

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I think I've narrowed down the options between Lucius and Gryphonne IV. Ryza was interesting for a moment, but I don't think there's enough there other than the ork invasion and plasma.

I like Lucius because of the connection with the Titan patterns and it's useful to bridge the fluff of the Skitarii either using or fighting along with the Macharius since the tank was built there.

Gryphonne IV is alright because of the connection to the AMTL list, but being a dead planet and specifically known for infantry I think it might be a bit too restrictive.

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Not a whole lot of interesting progress. Mostly I've been trying to read through any fluff I can find about Lucius and Gryphonne IV. It's a pretty close choice but I'm leaning a bit toward Lucius since there's a bit more openness to how we build it and the models available fit well, but Gryphonne can't be discounted either and there's a good number of compelling reasons to use it.

Gryphonne IV:
Possible extrapolation of robot use. 4th ed. fluff for the fall mentions a class that is a mechanical creation distinctly different from Praetorians.
Praetorians used
Ties in with AMTL list
Good Infantry
Designed a good chunk of IG vehicles.
Has nids as adversaries

Lucius:
Very little information outside of the Macharius and Lucius patterns of superheavies and titans. We know they equip the DKOK so it's likely they would use mole mortars and might use gorgons. This gives us more freedom to shape the units in the list with more generic AdMech stuff.

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Ok, I'm through with everything I can find. When it comes down to it, I just can't ignore the weight of fluff is with Gryphonne IV and the convenient dovetail with the AMTL list. Dead world or no at the current point in the timeline, there's just more to go on which makes it the better choice for what I'd like to see the Skitarii list become.

So that said, GIV will be the basis for the skitarii list.

From the fluff I've seen, I think that the core unit list at the start of this thread will fit mostly what we want. That means the following units need to be in the list:

Magos
Secutor - extrapolating that they would be present at GIV given the nature of the sect and the importance of the FW.
Hypaspist
Sagitarii
Praetorians
Gun Servitors (which ever variants we end up with)

Units I think reflect the admech despite not specifically being listed as being on GIV that should be in the list based on general admech fluff for flavor:
Ordinatus Minorus
Ordinatus Majoris
Robots (I'm still sticking with the two current types since I think the work well to capture the feel of the robots)
Chimedons

Units that have weaker links but possible options:
Hydra - used by almost all imperial forces
Macharius - possible link to admech through Lucius and at the least served alongside skitarii
Rapier - used by almost all imperial forces
Mole Mortar - seems to be used by Krieg specifically and at one time was available to most IG along with rapiers

Any questions or thoughts before we move on?

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How about the forgeworld from Titanicus.

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What about Aircraft? Create something admech specific, leave them without or continue using the imperial navy?



Isn't that one odd because of the joint governership of it (split between imperials and admech)? My own personal preference would be a list/background based around a wholly admech world (in the style of mars).

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